GTX 670 Power Edition OC versions ?

Hello.
Today I've got a question about the MSI GTX 670 Power Edition OC graphics card.
I'm about to buy this card but I've found that there are two version of it: MSI GTX 670 PE/OC and MSI GTX 670 PE/OC G ( notice a "G" at the end ).
The question is, what that "G" in the model name means, what are the differences ?
Greetz, `NX.

Quote from: `NX on 10-February-13, 23:06:14
I mean, I was wondering if going with Radeon 7970 wouldn't be a better idea
But I'm not sure of Radeons.
depends on your plans to use the card for! some games like Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs, Medal of Honor Warfighter , dragon age and some more respond better to AMD cards while alot of others are more geared towards Nvidia ones!
so what do you plan to do with your graphics card? generally Nvidia ones are better all round but it depends on what your doing with them to which way is better!

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