GTX 970 vs. 980 - do perf benchmarks exists comparing these two with all else being equal?

Do stats exist comparing these two directly in APP (all else being equal)?
Have a defective 970 and considering a 980, but wondering if it's worth the extra cost. In other words, does the extra cost yield significant real world performance gains in APP?

I don't believe so, however the price difference is pretty big. Where I live it's around €350 for the 970, €450 for the 780 ti and €550 for the 980. It would seem that (at least for the time being) the 780 ti is on par if not slightly faster than the gtx 980. I am not entirely sure how much upcoming drivers and better future support for Maxwell might help it swing in favour for the 980, however I do believe the 970 to hit a solid sweet spot. It might depend on the rest of your system configuration, was the defective 970 DOA or did you manage to run it for a while to see if your setup managed to max out the gpu?
Keep in mind if anyone reading this starts to consider choosing between the 780 ti that it does use more power and doesn't come with hdmi 2.0.

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NVidia GTX 970 or 980 experience

There has been some issues reported surrounding the Nvidia GTX 970 addressing memory above 3.5 GB (it comes with 4 GB Ram).
I think this issue is likely a non issue with Premier or other cc products.
Does anyone have experience with either the GTX970 or GTX980 that you would like to share.
I am considering the CC version and these cards appear as if they would do well in a probably configured machine.
Intel i7 - Windows 7 64 bit - 32GB Ram - SSD Drives, etc.
Thank you.

We have a number of very good results with both boards on our Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM) web site.

GTX 970 vs. 980

Do stats exist comparing these two directly in APP (all else being equal)?
Have a defective 970 and considering a 980, but wondering if it's worth the extra cost. In other words, does the extra cost yield significant real world performance gains in APP?

This would get a better response in the "hardware forum" ...
Neil

GTX 970 Problems

Hello, I am having a problem with the GTX 970.
Before you read this I would like to say I did try to put "prefer maximum performance" in NVIDIA control panel yet it still wants to conserve that power...
To save even more time reading this,
SUMMARY:I would like to know if there is some type of fix to totally disable nvidias power saving abilities.
Well, previously I owned a MSI R9 270X. It was a great card did what I wanted it to do.. and never cried to hard when I pushed it..
Now I bought a GTX 970 to replace it. Those games that ran smooth with the 270X, stutters with the GTX 970.
Obviously I went to investigate why this happend. It is because the GTX 970 has bad power management (or nvidia thinks it was good, but really hurts the card and should have a kill switch for it )
The stutters are caused when GPU load is high, then the GPU load falls to idle levels quickly due to a change in scene (A DIGITAL SIGNAL TYPE OF FALL SERIOUSLY?) or a low graphics intensive area, then at that low load, the game throws a l lot of tasks at it and the card seems to be caught off guard by the sudden jump in tasks it needs to perform causing the stuttering as it tries to throw itself back up to perform well again.
The 270X does not ( or at least this is what I think. I could be wrong) have any stutters because it assesses that the highest load that the game will be and should be the load that it stays at at all times (OR Power Consumption which ever one controls all)...
Turn down for what???
Nvidia (power efficiency at the cost of performance)
AMD (stays turned up)
JJ WATT (Stays turned up)
Thanks for the help guys..

what is your driver and vbios version ?
Try update to the latest one?
You could try to use afterburner, and set "Force constant voltage".
but it may disable the self protecting function of the card, you have to doing this at your own risk.

Z77A-GD65 not detecting Geforce GTX 970

I recently tried upgrading the GPU on my Z77A-GD65 from the Geforce GTX 560 to the Geforce GTX 970 but my computer does not detect the new card in. I've tried about a dozen things to attempt getting it to work, flashing the BIOS using a couple different methods, resetting the CMOS using the battery, as far as formatting my computer but still nothing works. When I boot the computer the fans on the GPU will both spin until the login screen appears then they stop. I originally thought maybe the PSU wasn't good enough for it, but even with a new Corsair CX750M the problem still persists.
When the 970 is plugged in the computer will default to the onboard graphics, and when I attempt to install the drivers for the 970 it tells me it can't find compatible graphics hardware. When the 560 is plugged in, it gets detected right away skipping past the onboard graphics, and allows me to install its drivers. The drivers for the 560 and the 970 are the same, 347.88, so I attempted to install them using the 560 then switching the cards out, which actually worked to detect the 970 once but I mistakenly removed the drivers thinking to reinstall them now that the card was being detected which made the problem come back. I'm not sure what to do at this point so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Z77A-GD65
Intel i3-2120
Geforce GTX 970
Corsair CX750M ATX
BIOS V 10.11
Windows 7 x64

Try with latest beta bios:
>>Use the MSI HQ Forum USB flasher<<
A.) Download >>this bios archive<< and place it on your desktop. Do not decompress.
B.) Download and install the Forum flash tool.
C.) Insert your FAT32 formatted usb stick.
D.) Make sure that all win 8 options are disabled. (Fast Boot etc) Also make sure the legacy USB is enabled.
E.) Start the forum flash tool and select option 1. Then point the tool at the compressed archive we downloaded earlier. Then to your USB Flash Drive.
F.) Boot to the USB
G.) Now follow the directions and let the tool flash
H.) After flashing reinstall ME drivers in Windows: http://download.msi.com/dvr_exe/intel_amt81_win78_xp.zip
If no help try the GTX 970 in another pc to verify it is working properly at all.

GeForce GTX 970 & 980: Availability of free copies of Witcher 3 & Batman Arkham Knight?

Does Best Buy have plans to support NVIDIA's promotion of free codes for Witcher 3 & Batman Arkham Knight?
Details regarding Nvidia's promotion is available (removed per forum guidelines)
I have my eye on purchasing a PNY GeForce GTX970 from Best Buy & hope I can obtain both of these games when buying...

Hello Joe_Fongul,
Thank you for posting on the forums and your interest in purchasing the GeForce GTX 970 & 980!
At this current time, we are offering the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt with the purchase of the GeForce GTX 960. Please continue to check the links above for further details and future promotions.
Thank you again for reaching out and we really do value your business.
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MOVED: MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4G - Fans not spinning

This topic has been moved to GAMING Graphics Cards.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=251859.0

First of all don't hijack other topics next time please. The one you posted in was not related to your question about the fan issue but the normal fans off feature below 60°C. Your thread has been split off.
The issue is fixed in later batches and everyone with a card affected by the issue with one fan not starting at all had been adviced to rma the card as there is no fix for existing cards. The Fans Randomly Turning On issue has been fixed with a vbios update.
The thread you meant by the way has been continued in another topic.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=184604.0 (GTX 970 Fan Issue Part Two)
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=184740.0 (Fix for GTX970/980 Fans Randomly Turning On issue)

MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4G - Fans not spinning question

Hi there.
I've read several post in this forum about fan issues with the 970 & 980 platform, as well as complaints regarding coil whine in a handful of hardware blogs.
As this threadhttps://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=183618.msg1317790#msg1317790 was closed at the beginning of November and hasn’t seen an update or further clarification, I wanted to ask what the status of MSI's investigation on the discussed problems is. Are they solved in the newer batches (and if so, how could I spot a new revision of these cards), or are fan & coil whine problems still present to this day?
I already ordered a GTX 970 4G, but became so unsure of my decision through these issues not being declared as officially solved, that I ultimately cancelled it.
Looking forward hearing back from you.
Best,
T

First of all don't hijack other topics next time please. The one you posted in was not related to your question about the fan issue but the normal fans off feature below 60°C. Your thread has been split off.
The issue is fixed in later batches and everyone with a card affected by the issue with one fan not starting at all had been adviced to rma the card as there is no fix for existing cards. The Fans Randomly Turning On issue has been fixed with a vbios update.
The thread you meant by the way has been continued in another topic.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=184604.0 (GTX 970 Fan Issue Part Two)
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=184740.0 (Fix for GTX970/980 Fans Randomly Turning On issue)

GTX 970 3.5 Ram issue

So we have now had it confirmed that the specification of the 970 GTX was wrong. These specifications were released by Nvidia and these were the specifications printed on the box of my MSI Gaming 970 4G. Namely that card has 4G of Vram running on a 256 bit bus. In reality we now know that only 7/8th (3.5G) of the 4G vram operates at the expected 224 Gb/sec memory bandwidth. We also know that the cards performance will seriously degrade in scenarios where a game tries to access that last 0.5G of vram.
Games increasingly used up more Vram when using high res texture packs. Also running higher resolutions and sli profiles require much more Vram and can easily exceed 3.5G.
What are MSI's thoughts on this issue?
The new MSI 970 Me100 editions, is this a true 4G card or will it also be limited to an effective memory pool of 3.5G??

Quote from: Airjarhead on 01-February-15, 07:13:57
Sure, Nvidia, MSI, EVGA, Asus, etc. mislead us with the whole 3.5GB+512MB issue, but I don't think it was an egregious lie. It was more a marketing issue. After all, it is 4GB of total RAM, it just doesn't function as we would expect 4GB to function (as with GTX 980). On this matter, I can see the manufacturer's/board partner's/retailer's point.
It is also true that the GTX 970 is still the same card (benchmark wise), that we bought after seeing the very first reviews.
HOWEVER...the following specifications prove a lie that can not be explained away with Marketing terms or benchmarks:
Advertised ROPs: 64
Actual ROPS: 56
Advertised L2 Cache: 2MB
Actual L2 Cache: 1.75MB
This is false advertising. This is the lie. This is why I am angry, and I do not understand why any user would defend Nvidia/board partner's/retailer's for this.
I don't think people is defending nVIDIA or AIBs in the first place. I have absolute no doubt anyone that bought the card liked to find the card was advertised with wrong specs. I know I am p***ed at nVIDIA - and nVIDIA alone -, because what they did. They now say there was a "missunderstanding between PR and engineering" and I believe them; what I find hard to believe is that not a single engineer noticed the PR mess before January 2015. But, this is a different discussion and I'm only speculating.
What I don't accept (and I think that is what some owners are having issues with), is the card having a flawed design; that is not working as intended. I defend nVIDIA engineers decision to cut the L2 cache so die-harvesting GTX 970 capable GPUs would increase, thus reducing the price. And at this moment, knowing the card's true specs I'm even more astonished with my GTX 970 performance. It really does more with less. And does it for €350 (that was how much it cost me). Plus, it completely destrois the GTX 780 I had before (and sold for €300 after using it for 18 months).
For nVIDIA to come out with a "new" GTX 970 with same ROP and L2 cache as GTX 980, they have to price it higher because is harder to harvest dies that will fill those specs.
And here's the ugly truth: if such a card cames out, it will stutter exactly the same as present GTX 970 stutters. Why? Because it will have the same CUDA CORES as the present GTX 970. The card will get out of "cuda core" power long before getting out of VRAM. The GTX 970 as is, has 1664 CUDAs that can handle with 52 pixels per clock, while the ROPs can handle 56 pixels per clock. Do you see where the bottleneck is?
So, having ROPs being capable of handling 64 pixels per clock would do anything for the GTX 970 unless the CUDA count increases - in which case, we will end up with a GTX 980.

GTX 970 HDMI Port

Hi Guys,
i'm wondering if the newly announced GTX970 from MSI has an HDMI 2.0 or HDMI 1.4a Port.
The MSI Website states the latter, although the 'reference' model as well as some custom cards from other manufacturers having a HDMI 2.0 connection would suppose it is 2.0. I checked some German stores (since I live in Germany) and they either don't specificate the HDMI version at all or say 2.0.
I think this is rather important, because having a 1.4 port would mean only one port (the DP) would support 4k@60Hz, let alone GSync
Does anyone have some more information on this? Thank you!

Quote from: badboy2k on 20-September-14, 01:51:52
the GTX 980 and GTX 970 both have HDMI 2.0 ports as that's what they use by the NVIDIA spec for it so it should be that as it will be to spec!
Someone should contact the people responsible for the product web page and get that updated as soon as possible. I have been on many forums where members are avoiding the MSI card for that reason alone and are ordering EVGA cards instead even though they are louder and have a possible coil whine issue.

Any idea when GTX 970's will be added to the supported list in the latest version of premiere? id like my cuda.

Any idea when GTX 970's will be added to the supported list in the latest version of premiere? id like my cuda.

I Too would like to know. I've finally finished upgrading my rig with a 970, and as far as I know, there's been some good things and not so good things. (I'm on CC 2014.1 with Windows 8.1 Pro) I'll post screenshots when I get back to my computer.
FIrst things first: Make sure to install the CUDA specific to the 970/980. They have their own toolkit, that I believe people miss. I installed this, and then manually added my card to te supported cards file in the Premiere, AE, and Speedgrade files. When I opened Premiere, it's automatically set to use CUDA acceleration, so I believe it's supported there. I wasn't able to test this, unfortunately. I will confirm this soon.
Second, when I open After Effects, the Previews preference pane states my card is supported, and all the info below it seems correct, like the shader model. The only thing that seems off is the OpenGL, which is set to 2.1.2 NVIDIA or something of the like instead of 4.x, but I believe its an NVIDIA optimized driver, so I'm not too concerned. The big thing for me is the error message that I recieve when I try to enable Ray-traced 3D. I recieve a compilation error, followed by another message, and I have no clue what to do with them.
I'm really hoping Adobe releases an updates that bring full native support for these cards, as I'm running an class at my high school where I need to build three machines, all of which will have a 970 inside, and if Adbe doesn't support these cards, I'm kind of screwed as the pipeline is based completely in Adobe with its Dynamic Link and CUDA acceleration. Come on Todd, we believe in you!
TL;DR Yes, CUDA acceleration should work within Premiere Pro CC 2014.1, but make sure to install the correct CUDA drivers from NVIDIA (they should be in the yellow boxed text on the downloads page)

Very Initial results PPBM8 (CC 2014) with GTX 970 SC

Well this has been an interesting evening with my new EVGA GTX 970 SC with 4 GB. I got over $50 off on an open box unit so I could not resist!
My single GPU benchmark from PPBM using MPEG2-DVD with Hardware Acceleration scores have been the same as my GTX 770 SC.
I hope that GPU-Z is reporting this new GPU properly. There may be some confusion here with a brand new board.
I downloaded the latest EVGA overclocking tool Precision 16 and tried to adjust the memory speed as I have done dozens of times and I could not get any changes showing in GPU-Z.
I do like the it has HTML 2.0 (4K monitor compatibility).
I do like the lower power dissipation.
I do like the slight lower price. (4 GB GTX 770 to 4 GB GTX 970).
In the next few days I hope to get the answers somehow on the overclocking of the memory and compatibility with GPU-Z
Testing with Premiere 8.0.1.21

Thanks much Eric, now I hope I can get our results page updated. Apparently with the new Maxwell's you cannot change the real memory speed. I have sent more time with EVGA and no one can explain why. It can appear to be set differently but it does not change the results like it has in the other previous cards.
I will install my GTX 770 with the GTX 970 to see how they play.

MSI GeForce Gtx 970 Coil Whine noise threw headset/stereo

Hi, I recently got an MSI GeForce Gtx 970 and for some odd reason, when I boot up a game it starts making some sort of Coil Whine noise which is not coming from my computer, it's coming from my headset or stereo. The noise kind of sounds like an electric tooth brush. And I have read many reviews on this graphics card and people are saying that they are hearing a Coil Whine noise coming from the graphics card, but me it's my headset. It may be an interference. Anyone have any ideas?

Quote from: stephenapthorp on 11-January-15, 23:58:19
Hey man,
I am not sure about this completely but I know my buddy has a gtx 980 and he gets coil whine. It also affects his headphones when they are plugged in. He told me the sound is much better when he got a set of USB head phones. G430 ones I think.
Regards
Steve
Thanks for the tip!

GTX 970 MSI Gaming App

Hello,
I installed GTX 970 Gaming and reinstalled Windows 8.1. Driver is from MSI website - 344.16.
When I start MSI Gaming App it says The platform does not support this application.
I read other threads but I couldn't find solution.

The Problem is that the Version from Online Produkt Page(1.0.0.21 or 2.0.0.21) is outdated and does not support the GTX970/980.
You have to install GAMINGAPP-Utility from included CD. Must be Version 3.0.0.5.

GTX 970 Gold Edition

Had read about it recently....
http://www.techpowerup.com/206844/msi-unveils-geforce-gtx-970-gold-limited-edition.html
Have 2 questions:
1) how come Limited Edition already if current Non Limited Edition is not fully sorted out yet?
2) Backplate?... so it IS possible?
But mean things aside - its a piece of beauty, seriously. And backplate - can MSI make add on kits for 970 and 980 owners to buy (cheap)?

Quote from: Neqsus on 10-November-14, 15:01:16
So can anyone speculate on when they'll be getting this card out, maybe based on past limited edition releases? I'm looking at getting an MSI 970 Gaming, but I'm really not crazy about the red (I know, I'm probably the only one). I'm crossing my fingers that they'll get it out by 2015, I don't want to wait any longer than that to upgrade from my 550ti -.-
Also, what "issues" are there left to be sorted out with the current gaming card? I've heard some reports about fan noise, but given EVGA's lower quality components and cooler problems, ASUS's poor OC ability, and the massive size of the Gigabyte cards I'm pretty set on the MSI 970.
Thanks for any insight!
-this graphic card uses an 8 phase power delivery system (6 for GPU, 2 for memory). BUT the voltage regulator on this card (OnSemi NCP81174) is designed to use only 4 phases. in reality this MSI card is nothing more than a reference card with a needlessly oversized cooler.
-this thing can NOT use a solid SLI bridge. you need to use a ribbon style SLI bridge. the plastic shield of the cooler sticks out about an inch over the SLI connectors. and this REALLY sucks because i wanted to use the pretty nVidia SLI bridge that has a glowing logo on it.
if they were going to go with this stupid giant fan design they could have at least thrown in some free extra long ribbon SLI bridges with the cards. but that's a minor thing.
more importantly, the Asus GTX 970 STRIX uses an 8 phase capable voltage regulator (IRF ASP1212) and costs the same. there is no excuse for going cheap on what is essentially the 3rd most important component on this card (behind the GPU itself and the memory). even the much hated EVGA GTX 970 uses a 5 phase voltage controller!!!

GTX 970 vs. 980 - do perf benchmarks exists comparing these two with all else being equal?

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