Guided Procedures Vs BPM

Hi
Can anybody tell me the difference betwwen two and which one is better and in what terms??
Is there any way out to migrate GP applications to BPM? It may sound weird but don't have any knowledge in this regard.
Thanks
Monika

Hi Monika,
Netweaver BPM aka Galaxy is said to be the successor of Guided Procedures which will be phased out in future. SAP will be supporting GP only until 2013. Also there are several differences between GP and BPM. Some of them are:
With BPM, you can change your process easily as compared to GP
Mapping between tasks is a pain in GP, but easy in BPM
BPM is pretty new while GP is around for sometime and much more stable than BPM
BPM gives you the flexibilty to design the process Graphically that is easily uderstood by Business and Tecnical guys
In BPM lot more features are there currently and more will be there once Netweaver 7.2 is released.
Hope this helps!!
Regards,
Arafat

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I read that GP as a portal workflow tool is going away and being replaced by BPM(Business Process Management)....i want to know the key differences between both of them .....and i also want to learn BPM.....can somebody provide useful documents on it....
Any help would be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Anil

Hi Anil
With BPM, you have more facility to develop business process. You have a tool called Process Composer in NWDS, where you can develop using a high level interface.
BPM isn't complete as GP, because it is in initial versions, but SAP is going to increment this process
You can learn more about BPM in [https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/nw-bpm|https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/nw-bpm].
There are a lot of interest think about bpm there.
All the best
Marcos

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Hi everybody,
I read that it is possible to exchange messages between Integration Processes and SAP Business Workflow. Is it also possible to trigger and communicate to a guided procedure in a Integration process?
Thanks,
Mane

Integration processes can integrate with anything which uses one of the protocols supported by XI adapters (and you could even enhance this, by creating your own custom adapters).
E.g., to integrate with SAP Workflow, you could call a standard BAPI or a Z RFC that executes the desired workflow (or feed some step of a already in-process workflow).
For Guided Procedures, you could basically use anything that the UI frameworks within SAP portfolio support. For example, if you develop a WebDynpro-based GP, you could make the WebDynpro consume a Web Service that, for instance, triggers a BPM execution (you expose the 1st receiver step of the BPM, which should be a open sync/async bridge, as a web service through a sender soap adapter).
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Workflows using Guided procedures

Hi,
1) How does Guided procedures(GP) internally implement workflows? Does it call workflow items created in an R/3 server or does it have its own platform for implementing the same? If it has its own implementation, can it also call R/3 workflows?
2) What is the main advantage of using GP for workflow tasks in portal compared to using UWL in portal? One advantage I see is GP can be used to integrate users, data across different system, but is there any other advantage in situations where the data comes from one single R/3 server?
Regards,
Srini.

Hi Srini,
On the workflow processing level, Guided Procedures offers two possibilities. One of them is to use the built-in Java-based processing engine, which is mainly appropriate for testing purposes. The other option is to configure GP with the SAP Business Workflow (aka BPM Runtime Engine), which runs in the ABAP stack. In this case, you create and start processes in GP, but the processing is done on the ABAP side.
Regarding the differences between the GP runtime and UWL, I think the concept here is slightly different. In UWL you have access to your tasks (it works on the task level). By the way, GP offers UWL integration as well, and enables you to see the tasks generated in GP also in the UWL. However, when using the GP runtime tools, you have an overview on the entire process, and you have different authorization concepts as well - process Administrator, Owner, Overseer, contributors, and so on. You can see what the status of the overall process is, the process output and so on. Even if data comes from a single system, GP offers a process-driven, user-oriented view on it.
I hope this answers your questions. For more details, you can have a look at the https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/developerareas/platform?rid=/webcontent/uuid/7b9b3834-0801-0010-6a9a-dc53e0db37f2">caf [original link is broken] [original link is broken].
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Zornitsa

Error in defaulttrace log from Guided Procedures

After implementing Guided Procedures for test purposes, it was decided that it was not needed. The configuration was removed. However every few minutes an error message is produced.
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sap.workflow#Guest#0##n/a## 896cb70087fa11dda66900144f482363 #ThreadThreadPool.Worker10,5,SAPEngine_A
pplication_Threadimpl:3_Group##0#0#Error#1#/Applications/Workflow/Engine#Plain###WFMS.processEven
t#
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Difference between Guided Procedures and Business Workflow?

Hi,
I'm new to workflows, so this question could be easy or absurd.
Is there a difference between Guided Procedures and Business Workflows? Or is this
the same thing with two names?
If it is different, when do I use which of them?
Could both use UWL?
Thanks a lot
greetz
chris

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Although i did not make any changes in those folders, the folder names are not appearing strangely.
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Hi Gareth,
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Which of the following statements is true with respect to the issues we are having?
a) the product has these capabilities, and we've just not properly taken advantage of them;
b) the functionality doesn't currently exist - but is planned for near releases;
c) the functionality doesn't exist - nor is it planned to be delivered by SAP.
Thank you very much.
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Assuming that they are actually blocks in a process (I do not see other possibility of actually handling two different processes instead of two blocks in a process, but I will confirm with the person who brought the issues to my notice), is it possible to specify exit condition for one block that also depends on the exit condition of second block? That means even if the exit condition of one block is met, can it wait for the second block's exit condition?
In BPM we have Fork step where I can specify parallel branches and design the process such that it runs through certain number of branches. Is anything available like this in GP? Can you please provide any documentation which explains the parallel block handling in GP? As I mentioned in my other response, I am familiar with BPM, but never used GP.
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Envio e Recebimento de Notificação de WorkFlow Guided Procedure no Portal

Bom Dia
Alguem poderia m ajudar a solucionar um problema
Tenho um cenário de WorkFlow de Guided Procedure no portal
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We are in process of implementing Benefits and for which we are using Guided Procedures, want to have understanding of the process can you please provide the step by step documentation and an example process that will be of great help.
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https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/thread?threadID=470956&tstart=0
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Bye
Ankur

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Hello,
This is more than likely due to an inconsistency of a GP object at database level. I suggest opening an OSS ticket as this would require detailed analysis.
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Carl Connolly
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While clicking on link that is given in PDF for these files its saying:
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