Guitar Rig 4 Essential - small audio waveform on track

I just got Guitar Rig 4 Essential and when I record a guitar audio track, the audio waveform on the track is very small, although the output volume on the GR4 plug-in window is good. I am also seeing something weird, when playing back in loop mode ( region is highlighted and loop continuously ) the audio waveform disappears after it is played and reappears again after it comes around on the next pass. None of this happens when recording using the built-in amp and effects in Garageband.
I am using a Macbook, 0SX 10.6, Presonus Firebox.

That's not the way to do it. There are several approaches to this:
Bus Recording:
Route the Audio track with GR4 inserted to a Bus - set the Outs of that Bus to "No Output" - choose a new audio track and select the Bus as an Input - hit record and play.
Or just record the dry signal of your guitar and set GR4 up in a Bus and route the dry signal to that Bus. This way you can always change the effects after you've recorded.

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I'm either missing something painfully obvious, or it's even harder than I think...
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I've set up an audio track with "GuitarRig2 MFX" as an insert. I can see every single parameter within GR2 as controllable with automation EXCEPT the preset (patch). I want to simply change patches at various points in the song. It seems impossible.
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So, in Logic Express 7, how do I get an automatic patch change to GR2 as an insert (plug-in) on an audio track?

I haven't done this myself yet, but why would you want to do that? You can freeze the track and eliminate the CPU load.
However, if it's not CPU load that concerns you, then you could simply route the output of the track containing GR2 to a new audio track (instead of the main output), solo the two tracks, and record-enable the 2nd track. Press record and go...
I think that should do the trick...hope I didn't miss anything.

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wow. you are right, when monitoring through the internal speakers, the audio is heard in sync with the movie and the waveform. So the conclusion is: FC express doesn't support external audio interfaces.
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A loaded insert plugin doesn't record with the signal, it only *plays back* or monitors (only with SWM on) with it.
If you want to record the effected signal, you'll have to use a standalone AU plugin host with the desired AU loaded, and make that the input source for an audio track in Logic.
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regards, Erik.

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First, make sure the track settings aren't too low. If the track height is too small the waveforms won't show. If that's OK then quit the application and trash the waveform cache. If you don't know where that is look in your FCE system settings. It'll be at the bottom of the first panel.

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Does Garageband support plugins? If so, does anyone know if it will support Guitar Rig 2.2 and if so how do I make this happen?

GarageBand will load any standard AudioUnit plugin. Guitar Rig 2.2 has an Audio Unit version which works perfectly (I tried it, it's awesome). To use Guitar Rig, double-click a track to bring up the info pane, then click "details", then select Guitar Rig in the plug-ins list. Done! In fact, you can use Guitar Rig on multiple tracks in GB which is awesome.

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For Guitar Rig users
I bought the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI foot controller to replace the limited Rig Kontrol. I have programmed it and it works great with Guitar Rig
I also run Guitar Rig as a plug-in in Garage Band and I can record real instrument tracks with Guitar Rig effects. However under this scenario the Guitar Rig software doesn't respond to the FCB's commands which doesn't allow me to use the expression medal or change any effects during the recording. The GarageBand MIDI indicator does flash when I step on the controller however the sound isn't getting over to Guitar Rig.
I'm very frustrated it over this. Can someone help?
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I think your interpretation is correct. When you get GR you'll find that it has a Learn function so that you can pass to it whatever codes you want. I was actually able to setup several effects on/off parameters, switch GR presets within a bank, the two expression pedals.
When I run GR in GarageBand the GR plug in doesn't respond to any of the commands from the FCB.
Here is what NI's suppport person sent to me:
"the problem occurs due to a Garage Band limitaion which makes the send midi function nearly unusable.
If you plug in Guitar Rig FX on an audio track you cannot send midi to it. And If you use it as an audio instrument you could send midi to GR, but because Garage Band does not support a sidechain function of audio instruments, you cannot record audio. To record audio you need to use the FX version of GR (same as in Logic), but you cannot send midi to an FX in Garage Band.
This is defenitely a big limitation of this host sequencer. "

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I've just installed AA CS5.5 as a trial, and I found a strange conflict with Native Instruments Guitar Rig VST plugin. The software recognizes the plugin smoothly in the plugin manager, but it just stays greyed out, so I can't use it.
I've tried with Guitar Rig 4 & 5, with no luck. Both work perfectly on Adobe Audition 3. I'm using Windows XP SP3 and M-Audio Fast Track Pro with ASIO drivers. Anybody experiencing the same issue?

Okay, I've spent some time this morning looking at Guitar Rig 5 in CS5.5 and CS6. Guitar Rig can install a lot of flavors of audio plug-in depending on your need. Audition only cares about the VST and Audio Unit (on Mac.)
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Feeding a 5.1 file into a Mono effect now enables precise control over channel routing.
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Dunno, I don't have Guitar Rig. Does the manual cover it's installation? Try asking over on the NI forums as well...
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Hi there,
Been using Logic for years. Just got Komplete 7 and everything is beautiful, except one thing.
When I have Guitar Rig 4 being used as an amp processor on either bass or guitar tracks, it clips Logic everytime I stop and start the playhead.
I've tried everything, no problem on the source audio file when the plug in is disabled. No problems when playing back the whole audio file, just when I start and stop.
Any ideas,
Cheers.

Hey man,
Thanks for the response, but yes, I've tried multiple different buffer settings, even tried different sample rates and bit depths just to see what happened.
It's bizarre, like I said, the clipping only happens when Guitar Rig is in the playback signal chain.
I've even purged all unused samples form Battery and other Sampler instruments in my session.
It's really annoying because all the other N.I plugs are great and work fine.
I did find an exact same problem on another forum but no resolution was offered, simply turn off the plug in.
Thanks anyway.

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hmmmm... is the AU in the proper folder?
HD/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components
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The Guitar Rig that is in MainStage;
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Just can't seem to locate the Guitar Rig - only Guitar Amp Pro.
Thanks

I picked up the answer;
Create an Audio track in Logic with open library selected.
You will see the mainstage guitar rigs in the library.
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Anyone know how to make this work?
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GB

I paid $129d--but I wanted to get 3 because I was intending to use it with my Pismo 550 Mhz G4. It loaded alright, but it asked me to upgrade, and as soon as I did that it wouldn't work on the Pis. So I transferred everything to the 12" G4, which would probably run 4.
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I am trying to control a guitar plugin, Guitar Rig 5, via bank and preset changes---I am going to to this in Abelton and then use Mainstage for some additional sound features not requiring a sequencer.
I am a single acoustic player and I use Abelton to play a backing track and control my lighting, but I am having trouble figuring out how to setup up Guitar Rig and my MIDI channels apparently.
I am looking to be able to change from one guitar patch (like a clean sound) to a dirty sound (lead solo) automatically (eliminating the need to do the foot pedal Riverdance while playing live), but I can’t seem to figure this out after two days. I see the presets in the list, but for the life of me I can’t seem to make this work.
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The goal is to have Guitar Rig 5 changing presets automatically, so I can play through a song and at the appropriate time the GR5 plugin would switch from clean channel to distorted---for example, for a lead solo part.
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Hi
Mainstage will not pass through Program Change messages to plugins. I have not succeded with (quick) attempts to get GR to respond to MIDI CC either.
You might do better to simply make additional Patches (or combinations of Audio and Instrument Patches) rather than try to control GR5 directly.
CCT

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Am I missing something?
Guitar Rig 3, in its natural state, has good mapping between MIDI messages and control over parameters in the plugin, even though it's an "audio in, audio out" plugin in general. In my "other" DAW, I can create a MIDI track and assign it to the plugin, and easily get control over Guitar Rig's parameters with a footpedal.
I have yet to discover a way to do this in MainStage; I can't find a way to tell it to pass MIDI messages to the plugin. I get the choice of an audio track, or an instrument track.
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Please tell me I've overlooked something obvious...
- donl

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