Guitar Rig 5 MIDI controls won't stay mapped in Mainstage 2

I am using Guitar Rig 5 as a plug-in in Mainstage 2 for a few of it's effects. I am trying to map controls (like on/off) for those effects in Mainstage's mapping section. Everything works fine until I close mainstage. When I go to reopen my saved concert, the mapped controls are gone and I have to remap them. Why is this happening and what can I do to fix it? It is very frustrating. Thanks in advance.

Ok i had a bit more of a play and here's what mines doing
If I have a concert with only 1 patch Everything but the on/off buttons stay mapped (as above mentioned)
however if I duplicate ) the 1st patch (highlight patch 1 and command +D) and re-map the on/off switches and have either the 1st patch or the 2nd patch highlighted when I save, then both patches stay mapped opon re opening the concert.
So for me by simply having more than 1 patch in my concert the bug dissapears
Strange but for now its doiing the trick

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