"Gutter jump" for photos across 2-page spreads

I am new to InDesign and cannot find a clue on how to set up a two-page spread in a multi-page publication that is destined for CMYK process printing so that a photograph running across the "gutter" between the pages will print properly in the final publication. Printers used to call this a "gutter jump", but that phrase does not come up in searches of help databases (nor does any equivalent phrase).
This is not for a page that will simply be folded, but, instead, where the pages will be (for example) pages 4 and 5 of a 16-page signature.
In the pre-computer era, this was done with two separations of the same image -- the part that would appear on the left-hand page and the part that would appear on the right-hand page -- and was set up so there was overlap of image content between the two in the area where the two pages would meet (so the image would be continuous even if binding covered parts of the image along the spine area or if the pages were not opened completely flat).
I've found no "how to" guide for this anywhere (books, the PDF guide that came with the program, FAQs, or in forums).
So: On a two-page spread setup in InDesign, can a photo simply be inserted to jump the gutter between the pages, with InDesign sorting out how to split the image later when the file is RIPped?
Or, do I insert cropped sections of the photo onto the two facing pages, much as was done in the past (the left portion on the left page and the right portion on the right page, with some image content overlap in the center)?
If there's a tutorial or a post on this, directions to it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Set up your document as facing pages and just place the photo right
across the spine. When you export the PDF, the photo will be properly
split on the spine and the two portions will show up on the correct pages.
Bob

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http://homepage.mac.com/bwebster/iphotolibrarymanager.html
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