H.264 Blue Ray audio question

I have seen this question brought up before but not answered fully.
The background:
i need to make a video that is
(Video)
File format: MP4 H.264
Aspect Ratio: 16 x 9 (1920 x 1080)
NTSC HD 60i (interlaced)
Square Pixel
(Audio)
48kHz
24 bit stereo
When exporting i selected H.264 Blue Ray and set the video accordingly (set the resolution to 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97, upper, square pixle) the problem I’m having is setting up the audio to be 24 bit. From my understanding AC3 only supports 16 bit but what about Dolby Digital can i get 24 bit audio if i use it and what setting do i change to get 24 bit audio at 48 kHz?

Do you HAVE sound in your comp? You'd be surprosed by the number of embarassed "no" replies.
Did you use the AE Render Queue? You have to specify that you actually want to inclue an audio track in the th Output Module; it isn't automatic. Most people don't even bother with audio when rendering from AE.
But here's the big thing: don't use AE to render H.264 files in the first place. AE stinks at it. Instead, use Adobe Media Endoder. You Can open an AE project in AME, then make an H.264 of any comp in the project.

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Audio not in sync after encoding to H.264 Blu ray

I have recently been trying to author my first blu-ray and keep running into new problems everytime I think I find a new solution. My new problem is that when I encode my sequence from Ppro CC to H.264 Blu-ray and place the video file and audio file into Encore CS6 the audio seems to be falling out of sync. I tried placing both files into a new PPro sequence and checked the playback and they are also out of sync there.
Things I've tried:
1) I went back and just encoded the audio from the sequence but this time I switched the audio coding to DD 320 bitrate instead of PCM. When I placed this file into the PPro sequence the playback was perfect. However, when I try placing the same two files (video and audio) into Encore they are out of sync.
2) I decided to take the encoded video file and place it back into the original PPro sequence and use it to replace the original video track. The playback again fell out of sync. Since this sequence had the original pre-encoded audio track, I came to the conclusion that it is actually the video that is not keeping up with the audio once encoded.
I am trying to encode to 1920x1080 HD 23.967 fps H.264 Blu Ray. I know I can just encoded to .avi match source and then let Encore do the transcoding, but figuring out this problem is a learning experience for me. Does PCM or Dolby Digital make a difference? What is the best way to do?

It sounds like things went wonky the first time around. Try exporing the whole thing again.
PCM is higher quality. Blu-rays have a lot of room compared to DVD, so I feel it's often the better choice. I'd recommend using DD only when you have to. But considering that I've put 3 hours of HD onto disk and still only filled 17GB, I think it's the very rare occasion when you'll run out of room and have to use DD on Blu-ray.

Downsides to multiplexing audio for H.264 Blu-ray disc?

I have a 9 minute video; personal/consumer use; 1280x720; 59.94; source video from a Contour+ helmet camera that stores .mov, H.264; audio is on a separate track from my own selection of mp3 files (it is a music video). I have three intended playback targets: Blu-ray disc, Sony PS3 native, and PC/Windows Media Player. Is there a big downside on video or audio quality in this case using multiplexing to produce a single .m2t file imported into Encore to produce the BD vs. separate .m4v/.wav files? Not a huge deal, but having to maintain one production files vs. three is a minor plus if it makes little to no difference on the BD front.
Depending on the answer, If I use the H.264 Blu-ray format/preset in PP to produce the .m2t file does Encore have to re-encode? I am assuming Encore does not reencode if I am using separate .m4v/.wav files.
Thanks

You must always remember gents, when you multiplex, there is a BUFFER attached to that (computer term that means a chunk of size and bit defined fast memory space that holds an intermediate piece of data for shuttling to the next piece of hardware). This changes the MAX Bitrate allowed for your video (but it doesn't show in AME cs6 and I don't think it shows in lower versions; not sure about cc). Since you are tying one stream to another, and effectively weaving the data into one stream, you are maxing out the amount of data you can pass in that stream. Only certain types of data can be read in this manner. Think of it this way, you have taken two sets of data with different bit widths, and different bit-sample rates, and tied them together into one stream. This stream still has to fit in the max data rates of the medium. Your video cannot exceed 30mb\s and you are also left with another problem. Audio, without mux, has so many different formats and bit fiddling profiles that it would be difficult to make sure it was within the sizing for data. If, however, you limit it to one major codec, and use predefined bit\sample rates that can be sized up, you'll be able to tell if all the settings are "legal" or not, as you then have a predefined data-size for both audio and video. If you don't multiplex, you get 2 streams. It takes longer to load the disc, but both streams are cached. Typically, with more motion, I like to non-plex, but with more emphasis on audio, I start leaning toward a TS file. IF you want forward compatibility, select an intermediate codec, with little to no compression, save to a disc image, then burn a disc and file it away. Every 10-15 years, hire an intern to turn their hair white recoding all your video and following the same procedure (unpaid internship time), but make them happy by hiring them as "Labor" on a short job or two and pay them well for standing around or stroking the egos of the "Talent". What can I say, we all work more diligently and creatively when we feel more connected with it, whether we're brooding and trying to communicate the angst of a lost generation, or felling powerful enough to choreograph leaping tall buildings in a single bound. Misery loves company, and powerful loves to be reminded it is by everybody whether it is or isn't.
If you need better clarification...
Lets go back to dvd for a moment. DVD structure is Video TS and Audio TS. TS is Transport Stream. A stream is a BUFFERED movement of data that is transferred quickly in set sized chunks. In DVD there were two transport streams to play back early on. Later, many started muxing those streams and encrypting them, so that upon Decrypting they could be played. Muxing made the encryption easier, as only one stream needed to be encrypted and it was all in the Video TS. Audio TS folders are still written, but there is little data there. In fact, removing this folder when no data is actually present has shown in some cases to do no damage, while in others, it will not play. This is because, it is used as a shell to copy. It initiates the audio stream playback on older players, and on newer players it isn't necessary.
Blu-ray yields similar limitations. You need to match the size of the buffer you are feeding. Most players max out around 35mps from the old sets, and newer players actually pull more like 50mps. If you don't know your target, you'll be out of luck. I've seen blu-rays that don't play on older players being sold at video stores, at Frys, everywhere. I've played them on an old one and found them to be unplayable. Newer formats do not work with older players, but, they note it on the package that you need to meet certain specs, and those specs can usually be found on a sticker on your device so you can see if they match. Remember your Target BitRate and Max Bitrate. The Target should be less than the max for the device you aim for. CS6 won't usually allow anything over 32.7mps, anyway, so setting this in AME even with dynamic linking could cause problems. However, you do have the choice to locate a transcode... ...presents an interesting possibility. I've been trying to get a project done or I'd try this myself:
I'd use the x264 free codec, with some basic options and blu-ray-compatible flag, with --fake-interlaced, to create a transcode and link it into encore. However, encore hasn't liked any of my transcodes that use multiple passes. I'm going to try with a single pass later, and produce an intermediate output for now.

TRUE BLU-RAY AUDIO - X58 Pro-E very important question !

I have a problem.
I want to buy a motherboard with X58 Pro-E and build HTPC HD Audio.
What does this mean "TRUE BLU-RAY AUDIO" ?
There is no HDMI output, only S/PDIF !!!!!
- There is no HD audio bitstream (DTS-HD MA/TrueHD) - no HDMI !!!
- Does not decode HD Audio -> LPCM 7.1 - no HDMI !!!
- That decodes the HD Audio (7.1) to analog?
- If only decodes HD from Blu-Ray Stereo (via. SPDIF)?
What does this mean "TRUE BLU-RAY AUDIO" on MSI motherboard ?
Regards.
HerrMan

>> TRUE BLU-RAY AUDIO <<
• The loss-less content protection technology with full-rate audio enjoyment from Blue-ray Disc
• Support for 24-bit / 192kHz sample rate offers high quality digital decoders and speakers
• support 7.1 channels playback, plus 2 channels of independent stereo sound output (multiple streaming) through the front panel stereo outputs
There is no HDMI because there is no onboard video. The video card you get would need to have HDMI output.
LPCM: Linear Pulse Code Modulation. It is an algorithm used to convert analog audio to digital. It gives pure loss less representation of the original analog audio in digital.
7.1 is the latest in speaker configuration. Mono is one speaker, stereo is two, 5.1 has 5. The problem with 5.1 is it produces angled audio. To get the best out put you have to sit in the center and all speakers have to be placed the right way. 7.1 solves those problems, even if the speakers are not perfectly aligned you still get very good results.
S/PDIF-out JSP1 on MB connects to video card for HDMI sound.
Download the manual >> here << and browse through it.

AE CS4 render engine / Adobe Media Encoder won't create a container for h.264 blu-ray

here's the problem.
First, I tried to render a comp using the render engine inside AE using h.264 blu-ray preset.
It was supposed to create 1 file, but I ended up with 3 : audio track, video and a file with .xmpses extension.
I then decided to render it in lossless .mov, which works fine, but 3:40 minutes is taking up over 8gb, which is of course, unacceptable.
After that, I've put the .mov file into Media Encoder to try h.264 blu-ray there.
Absolutely the same ********.
I'm using the Mac version of AE CS4.
Here is the screenshot of original .mov file and the result. As you see, it refuses to make a container. This is absolutely unacceptable

It raises another question: what settings do I need to encode the comp in 720p resolution without taking up lots of space?
Well, it depends on whether you need a production master (something for broadcast, for example, or to use as a source for other encoding tasks) or if you want a version for distribution. If it's the former, there's nothing wrong with "lots of space" - A Quicktime file with PNG or Animation codec is a good idea, but it will take a lot of space. If it's the latter, H264 is perfect but there's no built-in preset to take 720 material to the web.
You could do this:
* Pick the generic H264 template. You'll see that it will give an error if you attempt to render, because the default setting uses an H264 profile/level which doesn't let you use HD resolutions.
* In the H264 video options, set the "Profile" menu to "Main" and "Level" to 4.0. That will keep it compatible to Quicktime and Flash player, while allowing larger frame sizes and higher bit rates.
* Set Target Bitrate to 5-8 Mbps and Maximum Bitrate to 9-10 Mbps if you're targetting web delivery. That's a bit over what Apple uses for 720p content on the Apple TV, for example.
The H264 original preset will instruct you in the comment field to stretch to 640x480 in Output Module. There's no need, since you are using a profile/level combination which allows higher frame sizes.

Premiere Pro CC H.264 Blu-ray rendering problem

Hi!
I have a problem when try to render AVCHD files (.m2ts) to H.264 Blu-ray. This is the issue that follows me from Premiere Pro CS6 and old machine. When I create a sequence from AVCHD (.m2ts) files and try to export it with H.264 Blu-ray settings (only two changes I made in default settings are multiplexing to TS and change audio to Dolby digital) i got few seconds shorter video file than the original timeline and automatically audio and video are out of sync. I notice that when I try to play rendered video with Windows media player (Media player classic and VLC player also play it the same way) after a while audio is starting to be out of sync. When I import rendered file again into Premiere Pro CC and put it in timeline I can see that my rendered video is shorter than original timeline (I have 4h 30min project and rendered video is 4sec shorter; everything is there but 4sec shorter - probably faster, it is hard to notice how faster because of long timeline, but obviously 4sec faster)
Also, when I take that same project to my friend and render it again everything is ok. He is running a little bit better machine but also he is running Premiere Pro CS6 and I'm running Premiere Pro CC. That was the issue also when he was running Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and run Premiere Pro CS6 a year ago. All settings stays the same when I render and when my friend render the same sequence. I have audio out of sync and he haven't
One more question: Premiere Pro and AME not using Mercury Payback Engine GPU Acceleration at all. In AME I chose renderer: Mercury Payback Engine GPU Acceleration but when I look at NVIDIA inspector I can see that GPU usage is 0% when rendering is in progress. Any idea?
THX!

Thank you Jim,
but I'm confused. Same project, absolutely same settings but with different hardware got different results?
About 2 years ago I had AMD Athlon 3200+, ATI Radeon X800XL, 8GB DDR2 RAM, Win 7, Premiere Pro CS6 (AVCHD input, rendering to .m2t, all settings to default, just multiplexing set to TS because I need audio and video multiplexed to be able to play directly from external HDD to LED TV via USB) - result: audio is out of sync.
My friend had Intel i7, nVidia GTX 550, 16GB DDR3 RAM, Win 7, Premiere Pro CS5.5 (same project, AVCHD input, rendering to .m2t, all settings to default, just multiplexing set to TS) - result: everything OK.
Few days ago same thing, but with new hardware - my hardware: Intel i5, nVidia GTX 760, 16GB DDR3 RAM, Win 8.1, Premiere Pro CC (AVCHD input, rendering to .m2t, all settings to default, just multiplexing set to TS) - result: audio out of sync (as a matter of fact video is shorter - I didn't realize that few years ago, but just now).
My friend with his same hardware as above, few years old (AVCHD input, rendering to .m2t, all settings to default, just multiplexing set to TS) - result: everything OK.
Why is video (rendered) shorter than the original timeline? Is it possible because of multiplexing to TS? If it is the reason, why Adobe left us to choose do we want to use multiplexig or not, when it causes such drastic problem? Why Adobe left us so much option to play with? They don't want to certificate every peace of hardware (graphic card, although many graphic cards are compatible and can be used "at our own risk") because, as they said, it can cause problems, and they left us so much option to change before rendering, and some of them causing problems and aren't compatible with each other If I check some box then I got bad result, and if I not check it, then everything is OK? Don't understand why they left us that option when it's not OK to use it, because it produce bad result?
Not to mention that rendering (AVCHD to H.264 or MPG2 Blu-ray) is significantly faster with i7 than with i5, because, as I can see, GPU Acceleration is not used at all for rendering (maybe just for few effects, that I didn't used yet).
THX!

CS4 - Adobe Media Encoder - Encore - H.264 Blu-ray

As many folks are aware, Encore's transcoding can sometimes be less than optimal. I played with the AME settings and with the help of other folks on these and other forums finally determined all the right settings so that Encore would treat my DVD quality videos as native and not attempt to transcode them.
I am now trying my hand at Blu-Ray and am running into similar problems but so far I have not really found any answers that have worked. Based on my research, the following settings should work:
AME
Format: H.264 Blu-ray
_Video_
TV Standard: NTSC
Frame Dimensions: 1920x1080
Frame Rame: 23.976
Field Order: None (Progressive)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 16:9
Profile: High
Level: 4.1
_Bitrate Settings
Bitrate Encoding: VBR, 1 Pass
Target Bitrate: 18
Max Bitrate: 22
_Audio_
I have Multiplexing disabled because I am using DD 5.1 encoding and for DVD quality, I learned that Multiplexing is a no-no to prevent Encore from trying to transcode things. I assume the same thing applies to Blu-Ray so I'm not really worried about the Audio.
Encore
_Project Settings_
Authoring Mode: Blu-ray
_Settings
Television Standard: NTSC
Codec: H.265
Dimensions: 1920x1080
Frame Rate: 23.976
Fields: No Fields (Progressive Scan)
_Automatic Transcoding
Maximum Audio/Video Bitrate: 25.0 Mbps
_Audio Transcoding
Audio Transcoding Scheme: Dolby Digital
I have tried a number of other settings around these (including using 29.97 frame rate to match my source), but after 4 days of trying different things with AME, I am completely stumped. What I am primarily looking for is someone to be kind enough to post their settings, in the level of detail above, that allow them to import an asset into Encore so that it doesn't want to transcode the video.
I know there are other tools out there that can do these things, but I paid my $ for Adobe Mastersuite so that it would do all these things for me. If at all possible, I would really like to stick with just these tools.
I am not sure if it matters, but my source is a Panasonic HDC-TM700 set to record in 1080p30 (I don't use their proprietary 60 frame format). I have successfully downconverted this source with AME to DVD quality. I have also successfully outputted from AME to 1080p that was uploadable to Youtube. Again, I'm not sure that it matters other than I can make useable video from my source. Here are the properties of the video according to Premiere:
Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 2.6 GB
Image Size: 1920 x 1080
Pixel Depth: 32
Frame Rate: 29.97
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - compressed - 6 channels
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - 6 channels
Total Duration: 00;22;23;25
Average Data Rate: 2.0 MB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0
My actual clip is about 6min, but my intention would be to use clips of up to an hour in length.
Oh, I'm not sure if it is clear from my above information, but I am not using Adobe Dynamic Link. I'm not sure if that is where my problem lies, but my one attempt to use it did not produce the results I was looking for either.
Thanks in advance for your time and for making it this far into my post
-Jay

Well, that's a bit of a disappointment. I have to imagine most Adobe users are bald due to Adobe providing settings/output options that it's own software doesn't like. I really don't understand the sense of that.
In any event, I attempted to use:
Format: H.264 Blu-ray
Preset: HDTV 1080i 29.97 High Quality
And Encore still wants to transcode the video. It also wanted to transcode the audio that the format put out (PCM audio). I tried messing with some of the settings in Field Order, Profile, and Level and no love all around. I also tried one of the 1440 formats and no love there.
Does anyone truly have this working natively or am I just chasing my own tale? It really should not be this hard to get Premiere to output something that Encore will use without difficulty.
-Jay

Is PrProCS3 able to encode H.264 Blu-ray file?

It seems I overestimated the capabilities of CS3. I have been unable to export a file to create a Blu-ray disc.
System specs:
2009 Mac Pro 4,1 3.33GHz Quad core
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512 (Apple)
16GB RAM
640GB HD for OS X 10.6.4, and all programs
3x 1TB HD in RAID 0 via Apple RAID card for data, scratch
LG WH10LS30 10x Super-Multi Blu-ray burner (kit for Mac Pro from OWC)
Adobe Production Premium CS3 (updated to 3.2.0 for Pr)
File specs:
DVCProHD P2 MXF footage, shot on Panasonic AG-HVX200P
1280x1080 29.97(24P), aspect ratio = 1.5
Project settings:
DVCProHD 1080i/1080p, 60Hz
23.976 frame rate, progressive scan
The project is 1 hour 32 minutes long, and I've tried Export to Encore, Export to AME and Export Movie to H.264 Blu-ray m4v, using the preset for 1080p High Quality 24p and 23.976fps. Codec is MainConcept H.264. The target bitrate is 25Mbps, Max 30Mbps. I've tried both Main and High profile. After I post this question, I'll be trying to change VBR to 1-pass, since it gets through the first pass during encoding every time, but crashes Pr during the second pass. It doesn't even make it to Encore... it just won't encode the export file, despite my attempts to follow all the rules.
I'm out of ideas. I don't want to give up and say Premiere Pro CS3 is worthless to me until I can confirm that as a fact. I purchased CS5, and it's sitting on my shelf awaiting installation, but I thought switching versions in the middle of a feature film edit was bad, so I've been holding off. However, if CS3 is unable to produce a Blu-ray copy, I might have to try that next.

Hi,
I have cs3 but dont have a machine powerful enough to edit HD of any kind that is more than about maybe 20 min ...I have a PC.
It slows up a LOT if I have HD on my timeline and I add effects etc. That is why I haven't responded to your thread.
I have (approx ) a dual core 3ghz cpu and 4 gig ram, 2 hard drives with OS and programs on boot drive and projects on 2nd drive. I have no problems with SD video at all but HD is just NOT something I can do.
I suspect there may be some others using CS3 that also shun large HD projects simply due to the machines they have.
With the new 64bit OS and CS5, allowing PC users to actually "see" more than 4gig of ram, most HD users are now using new 64 bit OS and CS5....with a lot of ram and multiple cpu's and raid drive setups.
Although this doesnt help you out a lot re: your problem, at least it might explain a little bit why so few have responded yet...it's simply because I don't think that many cs3 ( 32 bit program ) users have done what you are trying to do.
Perhaps you could try exporting to encore for blue ray a very small segment of ONE timeline, and see if your hardware works OK with THAT... ?? Sorry I can't help more

H.264 blu-ray 720P60 sync problem

I'm not able to maintain sync between sound and video when encoding 720P59.94 sequences (avi or mov) to 720P 59.94 h.264 Blu-ray (standard PrPro export settings). The sync is lost gradually, and at the end of a 42 minute clip, is off by more than a second. In trying to chase this down, I noticed that the exported elementary video file is longer than the source sequence by about 1 frame per minute. The elementary sound file (Dolby or PCM) appears to be the same length as the source sequence.
Although I first noticed this in Encore (Blu-ray project), an import of the "encode" files back into Premiere Pro confirmed the situation.
I checked very carefully to ensure that my sequence settings and export settings are consistant - 1280x720 P 59.94.
I don't see this sync problem with the non-blu-ray h.264 (multiplexed) encode, and I don't see this problem with the mpeg2 blu-ray encoder.
I'm interested to know if this issue is unique to my setup, and if not, if there's a fix or workaround.
I'm running the latest versions of software -
Adobe CS 6.03 (monthly account)
Kona LHi 10.3.2 (up to date)
win 7, i7, 16G ram
Thanks...Ben

Jim,
I found that, of the sequences I've been working with, those that were created by dragging the footage onto the "new" icon were NDF. Sequences that I initiated from scratch are DF. But even after exporting to h.264 from a "DF" sequence, when re-imported and dropped on the "new" icon, a NDF sequence was created.
So...I established a new DF AVI sequence, and copied the source footage into it. This gave me a 720P59.94 DF cineform avi sequence, which doesn't seem any different than the NDF predecessor. Audio and video are in sync from beginning to end - 42 minutes duration.
I did a fresh export from this sequence to the adobe h.264 blu-ray preset (720P59.94, dolby, high, 4.1).
I then re-imported the resulting m4v, and dragged it onto an unused track in the source sequence. As expected, It extended beyond the source by 78 frames (in 42 minutes), and had the gradual drift out of sync.
I applied the 50 % crop, and looked for the first sign of change between the two tracks. I noted that at 00;01;01;42, the h.264 "encode" track seem to take one step backward, resulting in a 2 frame difference for a while. I tried to find the next exact place where a change occur, but found it impossible to do so.
Since this seems kind of weird, it would be helpful to know if anyone else has been successful in exporting a 720P59.94 sequence to h.264 blu-ray, without gradual loss of sync. The duration would need to be long enough for the sync loss to be obvious - 15 minutes or so?

AME Shuts Down when exporting H.264 Blu Ray

I have a current project that was shot in HDV and I am trying to export an H.264 Blu Ray file. This is a 4 Disk set and the other 3 files exported with no problems but for some reason I cannot get this last one (which happens to be Disk #3). I will start AME running as I am getting ready to leave my office. When I come back in the morning there is nothing open on my desktop, just the normal screen. Anyoen have any ideas??? Below are my export setting and computer info
Format: H.264 Blu Ray
Preset: Custom
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 16:9
Profile: High
Level: 4.1
Bitrate Encoding: VBR 2 pass
Target Bitrate: 20 Mbps
Maximum Bitrate: 25 Mbps
Audio: PCM
Multiplexing: None
Computer
Windows XP Pro 64
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5GHz
4 GB RAM
300 GB System Drive
1.5 TB Video Dive with 700 GB of free space.
Thanks
Phil

This is from the regular LOG.
5/9/2009 12:37:29 PM : Queue Started
- Source File: C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\Kapadia Wedding_24.prproj
- Output File: V:\DVD's\Kapadia\From Premiere\Disk_3_HD.m4v
- Preset Used: Custom
- Video: NTSC, 1440x1080, 29.97 [fps], Upper
- Audio: PCM Audio, 48 kHz, Stereo
- Bitrate: VBR, 2 Pass, Target 20.00, Max 25.00 [Mbps]
That is it... It does not show that there was a problem or that it was completed.
I then went into the Errors Log and there was nothing about this particular project.
Do you think that maybe the PC is shutting down and restarting? Not sure how I would know that...
Dont get me started on the Pr not supported by XP 64 thing. Quite frustrating to me....
Phil

AME H.264 Blu-ray Presets

The PAL H.264 Blu-ray presets in AME have "Profile" set as High, but in the printed manual for Encore on page 48 at the top there is a warning in italics
"Note: for Blu-ray projects, the encoding profile must be Main when you select H.264 as the encoding format. You cannot burn a Blu-ray disc when the encoding profile is set to High."
Can anyone give a definitive answer as to which is correct, please?
Message was edited by: Alan Craven

I think that I may have the answer to my own question. I scrolled down the list of H.264 presets in Adobe Media Encoder and found that ALL the HD presets, PAL or NTSC; 1920,1440, or 720; interlaced or progressive, have the Profile set at High. Only the four High Quality SD presets at the bottom have Profile set at Main.
A little research makes me suspect that the warning in the printed Encore CS4 manual that I quote in my first post has the crucial words "Standard Definition" missing from it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles
A search of the Adobe on-line help throws up a blank for this topic, and the equivalent section to pp 47-8 of my printed Encore CS4 manual is taken from the CS3 Help files, and does not include much of the information that is in my manual.

H.264 Blu Ray

Has anyone successfully made an H.264 1920x1080 BluRay disk with Encore? Please don't say that you made a plain-vanila BD-R with one timeline on that was about five minutes in length. I mean, did anyone really excersise the product in that particular application?
My project with 11 H.264 1920x1080 clips would throw all kinds off errors at me, including but not limited to:
- "decoder not installed" when importing an asset #10 or #11 out of 11 total. The same assets import fine into a brand-new encore project. All assets exported from PPro CS3 with the 1920x1080 High Quality preset for H.264 Blu-Ray.
- "format error" when having more than one audio clip on the same timeline. the same clips work fine on separate timelines.
- "out of memory" when burning BD folder; I mean, sure, my system only has 4G of memory, granted, Encore can only use 2G.
- "error 6" when exporting BD folder.
All of the above errors happen on three different computers running Windows XP Professional SP2 32bit, Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit, Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit. I know the later is not officially supported, but the first two 32bit OS'es were - last time I checked.
So, has anyone succeeded in doing real-world AVC BD-MV production with Encore CS3 yet?
I will try re-encoding into MPEG2 25Mbs, and if that doesn't work, I will shelf this idea (and Encore) for a while, and remain in SD DVD world until this application becomes usable.

Well, instead of encoding one media file per chapter, I ended up encoding the entire title into one large media file. It imports fine and builds ok, sort of. The thing is that I can burn it directly to disk, but if I try building an image file out of Encore project, my whole physical memory on the machine goes down to zero about half way, and from then on things get REAAAALLLYYYYYY SSSSLLLLLOOOOOWWWWW. Eventually, I have to shut down the machine - the progress bar moves a tick in half an hour and this is just not practical.
I remember back in Encore 1.0 days there was a huge issue with building an Encore project with subtitles. I would give up after 2-3 hours of staring at "Building subtitles" message. I finally contacted Adobe tech support and expressed my concerns. They asked for the project file and assets, which I provided, then went silent for several days, then said that it all built fine on their system, and I just have to give it more time. So, I decided to give it more time. I gave it 48 hours, and it built in 28. Now, 28 hours of build time for a 1.5 hours DVD project is unreasonable. Adobe support did not buy 28 hours as being unreasonable. But what do I know - version 1.5 comes around, and the same project builds in about an hour. Suddenly, 28 hours is unreasonable.
I was hoping that with CS3 we would not go back to version 1.

H.264 Blu Ray will play in most players, H.264 will not. Is this true?

I was told that the H.264 is a universal format, but to make it play to Blu-Ray standards for players you must use H.264 Blu-ray. If not, it may not play in all Blu- Ray type players . The same goes for MPEG-2 Vs. MPEG-2 DVD.
Is this true?
Thanks in advance
Premiere Pro CS 5.5
Encore 5.5
Media Encoder 5
Power Mac Intel Xeon
10GB RAM

to phrase the answer another way...
h.264 for Bluray is a subset of the full h.264 standard.
Why? Because it has constrictions on it so that the bluray player's silicon-chip h.264 decoder doesn't have to be overly complicated (thus cheaper)..
So, while a non bluray h.264 stream MAY play on a bluray player, it isn't EXPECTED too.
As an example - if you compare the h.264 to the h.264 bluray columns you'll see that h.264 has "Levels" 3.0...5.2 but BR only has a subset of those. Likewise for the "Profile" and Screen Resolutions @ specific FrameRates.
Note that both are h.264/AVC encodings, it's just that the BD version is allows far less combinations of settings.
http://www.x264pro.com/?page_id=10
Tech Specs
Output
x264 PROBD
x264PRO
Video
H.264 AVC Elementary Stream (.264)
H.264 AVC Elementary Stream (.264)
Audio
Linear PCM (.wav)
Linear PCM (.wav)
Advanced Audio Codec (.aac)
Multiplexer
MPEG-4 Video (.m4v)
MPEG-4 Video and Audio (.mp4) (AAC only)
Quicktime (.mov)
Supported standard
Blu-ray
H.264
Encoding Method
CBR/VBR 1 pass encoding/VBR 2 pass encoding/Constant Quality
Video codec
H.264 AVC
H.264 AVC
AVC Profile
Main, High
Baseline, Main, High
Supported level
High 4.0, 4.1
Main 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4.0, 4.1
3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2
Resolution Frame Rate
1920x1080x29.97i, 25i (16:9)
1920x1080x24p, 23.976p (16:9)
1440x1080x59.94i, 50i (16:9)
1440x1080x24p, 23.976p (16:9)
1280x720x59.94p, 50p (16:9)
1280x720x24p, 23.976p (16:9)
720x480x59.94i (4:3/16:9)
720x576x50i (4:3/16:9)
Variable (16×16 – 4096×2304)
Frame rate : 12, 12.5, 15, 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 48, 50, 59.94, 60, 120
Bit rate
1Kbps – 40Mbps
1Kbps – 300Mbps
Audio codec
Linear PCM
Linear PCM
Advanced Audio Codec
Audio channels
Mono, Stereo, 5.1
Mono, Stereo, 5.1
Audio bit depth
8, 16, 24, 32bit (LPCM)
8, 16, 24, 32bit (LPCM)
Audio bit rate
n/a
56 – 320kbps (AAC)
Sampling rate
8, 16, 32, 44.1, 48, 96KHz
8, 16, 32, 44.1, 48, 96KHz

Blu-Ray Project question

Hi,
I recorded with a professional Sony HXR-NX5E camera a video. The recording time should be around 130 minutes.
I have files from 00000.MTS to 00010.MTS with a total disk space of 19,60GB
Now, I wish to create a DVD and a Blu-ray media and would assume all I have to start with is creating a correct project like this one:
PAL AVCHD 1080i 25 (50i). Is this correct so far?
Now my problem is trying to understand, up front, if i will be able to fit this project into a Blu-ray disc like this one (Verbatim BD-R SL Datalife 25GB 6x Wide Inkjet Printable).
I tried to run an export and selected H.264 Blu-ray but the output file is 226922 MB which is way too large and was puzzled if this will work or not.
Please note that I have not created any Blu-ray project before. (any reference guide you can provide me with will be of great help).
Can someone please guide me through trying to understand if I can fit this video into 1 Blu-ray disc? Perhaps at the time of creating the Blu-ray disk it will shrink it down?
Thank you
NOTES
Here is the info taken from one of the .mts files:
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 1,98 GiB
Duration                                 : 12min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variabile
Overall bit rate                         : 22,3 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 24,0 Mbps
Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC                   : Si
Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=2, N=13
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 12min
Bit rate mode                            : Variabile
Bit rate                                 : 21,2 Mbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 22,0 Mbps
Width                                    : 1.920 pixel
Height                                   : 1.080 pixel
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 25,000 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bit
Scan type                                : Interlacciato
Scan order                               : Top field first
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.408
Stream size                              : 1,88 GiB (95%)
Audio
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 12min
Bit rate mode                            : Costante
Bit rate                                 : 256 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 canali
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48,0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bit
Compression mode                         : Con perdita
Delay relative to video                  : -80ms
Stream size                              : 23,3MiB (1%)

Hello friend, generally you can put only 120 min on a bd of 25gb, the real capacity of an bd 25 gb is 23gb, you can put all the video in but u have to tweak your video bit rate when you export your video , i have to export a 129 min timeline with a variable bitrate of 20 and max bitrate of 22 and someday i get lucky somedays not, you will have to learn how to use a bit rate calculator , (google it) cause i dont know it, so i fine tune video bitrate until it shows me my final render around 19-20 gb or maybe less to be sure choose on sound a lower bitrate 320 or maybe lower and dolby digital and try to mux them (multiplexer option select TS). This is my workflow in general...
U can see that in your video info that your video haves now :
Bit rate                                 : 21,2 Mbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 22,0 Mbps
and only 19 gb
Adobe preset is hd 25 i and tries to make a video with target bitrate of 25 and max 30, so it will render more ....

Exporting H.264 Blu-ray material in CS3

System:
2009 Mac Pro 3.33GHz Quad core
Snow Leopard 10.6.5
16GB RAM
Radeon HD 5870
Adobe Premiere Pro CS3, 3.2.0
Video material:
DVCProHD, 1080p60i/24p, 23.976fps shot on P2, MXF file format.
Exporting to:
H.264 Blu-ray via Adobe Media Encoder
I can render Blu-ray material, and even burn it in an internal LG 10x Blu-ray burner that I installed. The result was wonderful when played back on a Blu-ray player and HDTV.
What I cannot figure out is why I have to render projects in small little segments, rather than one large one, and then line them all up on a timeline in Encore. I then have to rearrange my chapter points, since Encore places a chapter marker at each clip. It's not the biggest deal in the world, but it's just annoying.
I've tried different settings, and the one that gives me the most success is starting with the preset for H.264 (Blu-ray), HDTV 1080p 23.976 High Quality, and switching the Profile from High to Main, and leaving the rest alone. I'm not sure if I tried HDTV 1080i 29.97... maybe I should. Whether it crashes or not seems to depend on how many effects are in the clip, or how long the segment is, but I can usually get away with up to about 10000 frames of video without a crash. The crash almost always occurs during the second pass of VBR encoding. It closes Premiere and offers the crash report window, which I am not good at decyphering. Anyway, I always submit the crash report with what I was trying to do. Adobe has many of them from me now.
Can anyone shed some light as to why it only allows 6000-10000 frames go through this encoding process? My system will show that it only used about 6 out of 16 GB of RAM after a fresh reboot. It helps if I reboot between each encode session, as well. If I try to encode two short segments without rebooting between, I usually get a crash. Also, I can encode DVDs just fine with the same project. I encoded the 105 minute movie with all the same effects, clips, etc. and the DVD was flawless on the first try. It's just the H.264 Blu-ray setting that jacks it up.
I'm glad I can get the thing done piecemeal, but I was hoping someone could at least explain why it's so difficult. (:

I would agree, and I think it must have to do with RAM. When I get a segment exported successfully, the Activity Monitor shows very close to all 16 GB used in many cases. I surmise that when the program sucks too close to all 16GB up, it crashes.

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