Handling RAW images in Photoshop vs. Photoshop Elements

Currently I am running trial versions of Photoshop CS4 and PSE7. For a great deal I am impressen about the functionality of PSE w.r.t. to its price/performance, but I miss some easy things that Photoshop has. Or am I doing things wrong?
When I open a raw (CR2) image in Photoshop CS 4 then the Camera Raw Plugin Window starts and opens the file. You can then change setting in the file which are saved not in the RAW file but an XMP file. Accordingly you can save the resulting image in many formats like dng, jpg, tiff, bmp, psd. That is very handy and straight forward. To have the changes in a separate tiny xmp-file saves a lot of diskspace.
When doing the same in PSE the Camera RAW converter starts and opens the file in the same way. Almost identical. However you can save the changes only in a DNG file, which has roughly the same size as the RAW file. A very expensive way to save changes on a RAW file. Why is not the same mechanism used??
Another difference in favor of Photoshop CS4 is the better and more versatile sharpening functionality. A Pity for a hobbyist that CS4 is so expensive and that some handy common used functionality is not present in FSE7.
Attached the about boxes of Camera Raw in CS4 resp PSE. Same version, but not same functionality . Confusing.

In Elements you open the file and save it in the editor instead.

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What I'm doing:
1. I drag the RAW File into the PSD.
2. I open the RAW File and tweak it.
3. Photoshop does not reflect the changes
4. I drag the RAWFile into the PSD
5. I then have the same placed RAW File with the changes reflected as well as the old placed RAWFile without them.
So even though both placed images are the same image, they reflect the RAW File at the time it was placed, not at its current state which is surely the whole point of placing a file. It seems that the image is encoded with the RAW settings at the time it is imported, but these are never updated.
What am I missing? Is this a bug or is there no point placing a RAW file?

If you need a "non-destructive" alternative, you can import the raw as a Smart Object. You can set this in Camera Raw's Workflow Options, or you can do this 'on the fly' by holding down Shift when you click on Open.
If you want to change a develop setting after adding the image to a PSD, double-click on the layer thumbnail to reopen the ACR session, and the OK or Cancel when you're finished.
Thanks Yammer,
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I have installed the most recent updates (8.3) and I still can't open my Raw files in bridge or photoshop CS5. Can someone please help me?

What have you installed that is version 8.3?
Camera Raw 8.3 is not compatible with CS5. You can go to PS-CS5 / Help / About Plug-ins / Camera Raw and see what version you have.
If you mean you have installed the DNG Converter 8.3, then installing it isn’t’ enough, you have to run it and convert your raw files to DNGs so they will open in an older version of the ACR plug-in.

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I just got a Canon T3 Rebel. Does Photostream handle RAW images?

Hello. I am new to DSLR photography and I was wondering if I transferred my RAW photos to Aperture to edit them and I then wanted to put them on my iPad 2 would Photostream be able to read the RAW file? I don't want it to downgrade the quality. Also, I have a bunch of photo apps on my iPad such as Snapseed, Photogene, Photoforge, etc be able to let me edit the RAW file and save it?

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Hi Tgara. Thanks for your help. I like your system. Think I am going to do it that way. So you export the RAW images into JPEGs from Aperture...I take it you use full resolution? Then you save it to your desktop and tell iTunes to sync with that, correct? Also, do you export the version that you edited as JPEG Full resoultion in the export dialog box? Doesn't iTunes compress the image. I was under the impression that iTunes does not sync at full res. I currently do sync with iTunes, but in the photos pane I sync photos from Aperture and check the albums I want to sync. So if I point iTunes to sync from a folder on my desktop will it sync it in full res?
1. Yes, I export the edited RAW images to JPGs. I select the photos I want to export, right-click, and choose Export, Versions. From there, I think I use medium resolution JPGs to keep the file sizes reasonable. Keep in mind, the iPad 2 has a screen resolution of 1024x768 pixels at 132 pixels per inch, so anything greater than this is a waste. Plus, iTunes and the iPad itself will "optimize" the photos during the import process so they are compatible with the iPad screen. That said, to my eye, the imported images on the iPad look great. I suggest you try a few export resolution settings and see for yourself what looks best to you.
2. My workflow for a hypothetical project (let's call it "France 2012") is as follows:
     A. Import RAW images from my camera CF card and edit them.
     B. Select the images I want to show off on my iPad and export those as JPGS to a folder on my desktop called France 2012. You can use whatever resolution you want... I choose the 1024 size.
     C. Create an empty folder on my computer Hard Drive called iOS Photos. For convenience, I keep this folder under my username/Pictures.
     D. Move the France 2012 folder into the iOS Photos folder.
     E. Tell iTunes to sync photos with the iOS Photos folder.
Once step E is done and you sync your iPad, you should see France 2012 as a new Album in the Photos app on your iPad.
Of course, you can create new folders and add them to the iOS Photos folder. Upon Syncing, those new folders will show up as new albums.

Editing non-raw image files in Adobe Photoshop

Hi,
I am currently digging into the world of Lightroom and setting up a work flow which in my case needs to include editing non-raw files in Adobe Photoshop.
Please bear in mind that I am quite new to Lightroom so I am not sure I have found all shortcuts and settings to manipulate.
I will explain what I trying to do (and why) and hope that the community can comment and help put if possible.
I myself shoot almost everything in RAW format, and I have been using Photoshop (PS) and Camera Raw (ACR) for some years now. I am now on Photoshop CS6.
But now the amount of images to handle requires a CMS, so I went for Lightroom 4 - hoping/believing that I would find an effective and efficient work flow integration between the two Adobe products.
But I am more and more also helping others to enhance their images, and I most often get jpg files as image source.
I am used to using PS layers, filters, smart objects etc extensively to do what I want to do.
OK, I admin that I already use ACR quite a lot, and sometimes even as the only tool even for jpg images.
I have began diving/snorkeling with friends and often the images we bring back home is in jpg format, and so far I still believe that the best image "restoration" can be done in Photoshop using adjustment layers, channel mixing and filters to get satisfactory results.
So now on to my concerns and issues:
1) Lightroom user interface efficiency - "Edit in"
When I want to edit a jpg image in Photoshop I :
action
comment
- left click image to select it
ok, I agree this is needed
- right click image to bring up context menu
ok, I agree this is needed
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ok, ...
- click "Edit in Adobe Photoshop CS6"
Yes that's want I want
- Lightroom presents the "Edit Photo with Adobe Photoshop CS6" selection menu.
Yes I know, I saw it the last
nnn times I did it
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No, I want a tiff file since that
is what I have set up in
preferences
OK, I know that I can also use the keyboard instead of mouse for this, but the number of actions required from my side is pretty much unchanged.
For a quick working, Lightroom and PS skilled person, this is just annoying.
Is this effecient?     Well it depends. For Lightroom beginners this is good. But for me it is a true annoying obstacle
2) Lightroom "Edit in" - is it effective
Is this effective?     I say no.      I have specified in preferences that I want PS to receive a TIFF file in Adobe RGB 1998 color space
                                                   Also, I cannot change to TIFF in PS without losing the link between the two images. (If I do, the new TIFF file is not imported by Lightroom, so I have to that manually)
I have found out that I can choose the path "Select image - select "Open as Smartobject in Adobe Photoshop".
This will give me a tiff file, and when saved in PS the jpg and tiff files are linked and Lightroom has automatically imported the tiff file into the Catalog.
What I need / what I would like to know / what I would like to have:
* Is there a (customizable) keyboard shortcut that enables me to: Select Picture + Use shortcut - and then I end up in Photoshop (with the Edit option I use 90% of the time) ?
* Is there a preference that I can set so that jpg images also are opened as tiff files in Photoshop per default?
* Is there a way to select multiple images and launch them all in Photoshop (and keeping the link between the jpg and tiff files) ?
* I would like a preference setting allowing me to choose that any new file coming back from Photoshop (after "Edit in" ) is written to a sub-folder, or to a specific folder set by me.
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* Is there a way to automatically launch a Photoshop Action on the file coming from Lightroom?
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* I am skilled computer programmer - can I use Lightroom SDK to write plug-ins to achieve the above enhancements ?
Regards
Bosse W

* Is there a (customizable) keyboard shortcut that enables me to: Select Picture + Use shortcut - and then I end up in Photoshop (with the Edit option I use 90% of the time) ?
-- The keyboard shortcut Command/Ctrl+E will perform steps 2-4 in your above list. You only have to click the Edit button, as the last choice (Edit Original, Edit Copy, Edit Copy with LR adjustments) will be remembered.
* Is there a preference that I can set so that jpg images also are opened as tiff files in Photoshop per default?
-- No, a JPEG in Lightroom will always open as a JPEG in Photoshop. If you have made changes to the file that are not supported by the JPEG format (e.g. added a layer) when you go to save the file, it will be saved as either a TIFF or PSD, based on the preference in Lightroom.
* Is there a way to select multiple images and launch them all in Photoshop (and keeping the link between the jpg and tiff files) ?
-- Yes, select all the files you want to edit, and use the keyboard shortcut, menu command, or right-click context menu command.
* I would like a preference setting allowing me to choose that any new file coming back from Photoshop (after "Edit in" ) is written to a sub-folder, or to a specific folder set by me.
   This would align with my work flow for jpg handling, where the jpg is the "original" and the tiff file is what will eventually end up as image "master" (from where I print, or produce web / HDTV jpg's).
-- No, there is no automatic way to do this. If you use the Edit a Copy method, the copy is created instantly in the same folder as the original.
* Is there a way to automatically launch a Photoshop Action on the file coming from Lightroom?
   This would also help in my work flow. E.g. I have currently 100 jpg's and avi files which are UW (under water shots) and the adjustment layers I build are always the same (to start with).
   Of course, I can launch the Action once I am in Photohop - but again, doing 1-5 times is ok, doing it more than 100 times ...
-- Yes and No, this is not something that can be setup in Lightroom, but you can set it up in Photoshop using the Script Events Manager.
* I am skilled computer programmer - can I use Lightroom SDK to write plug-ins to achieve the above enhancements ?
-- Yes: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshoplightroom.htmlhttp://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshoplightroom.html

Can't open RAW Nikon files (NEF) using PS3 10.0 running 10.6.8 , think there is a conflict with camera Raw plug-in. Can't open raw images in bridge or photoshop.

I think I may have a Camera Raw plug-in conflict or plug in may be in the wrong place. In both PS3 and Bridge Nikon raw files (NEF) will not open. I've noticed that in photoshop in the pull down menu-about plug-in, I have 2 Camera Raw (s) listed, getting info one is 4.0, the other 4.6.0.30. It appears that my files and .xmp are 4.0 just by searching for 'Camera Raw' either 4. or 4.6 in spotlight. nothing is listed in spotlight under camera raw 4.6, but all my images are listed in the spotlight if I search for camera raw 4.0! I can not open either in Bridge or Photoshop CS3 I just receive the error message 'could not complete this request because photoshop does not reconize this type of file'. any help would this is greatfully appreciated. Thanks

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RAW Image appears sharper in Photoshop than Aperture

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I also have not found a way of significantly sharpening the Raw based image in Aperture -
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adobe camera raw applies significantly more sharpening (and noise reduction) to images by default. I find the edge sharpen in aperture to be far superior, and i also feel i can squeeze just a little more detail out of my raw files in aperture, especially at higher iso's.
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Hi i have been lucky enough to take delivery of the Nikon D810 but am unable to upload the raw images into LR5 or Photoshop CC 2014 is this just a matter of waiting for a new version of ACR ?? Thanks

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What version of Camera Raw do you have? Do Help - About Plug-in... - Camera Raw to see.
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Could not complete your request because the file appears to be from a camera model which is not supported by the installed version of Camera Raw. Please visit the Camera Raw help documentation for additional information.
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Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 - Canon EOS5D Mkiii - RAW images

I have Photoshop Elements 9 and Premiere Elements 9 installed on my iMac, operating system Version 10.9.4. I have upgraded my Canon EOS 5d Mki to a Mkiii and downloaded Adobe's Plug-in 6.5 update but I am unable to open RAW images from the Mkiii in Elements. They do open in Canon's software.Adobe offer no telephone support for this. Any ideas please?

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Windows download (.exe file) click here DNG Converter 8.6
Mac download (.dmg file) click here DNG Converter 8.6
You can convert a whole folder of raw images in one click. See this quick video tutorial:
You Tube click here for DNG Converter tutorial

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Okay this could be a tough one.
I don't use bridge in my normal work flow, I use ACDSee v3 for viewing my photos and graphic designs.
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I opened and closed files in a lot of older files and it worked fine. Is there a way to purge all the files, or is this not a good thing to do?
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1. When first imported into iPhoto, the image is untouched and shows as "Canon Raw" with its original size (approx 7MB) in the information window.
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2a. The same thing happens if you edit inside iPhoto.
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Did I miss anything?

I developed a neat workflow around iPhoto's RAW capabilities.
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2. Open Raws in Photoshop via dragging photos onto PS dock icon
3. Edit RAWs
4. Reduce to 8 bit
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6. Close the file in PS.
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iPhoto recognises the JPEGS, but sometimes one has to click on them show the edited version. Somehow, iPhoto is still at first creating a preview from the RAW file and not recognising that there is an edited JPEG version (understandingly, since iPhoto can't remember it created edited JPEGs).

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It sounds like you may have encountered a known bug with how the PSE 6 Organizer handles raw images. If deleting the Organizer preferences doesn't work, then take a look at this tech note:
http://go.adobe.com/kb/ts_kb403728_en-us
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