Hanging on boot in 10.7.x - Spinning wheel of insanity

Hello All,
Been having issues rebooting in Lion for months... since I got this machine and Lion, in fact.
On reboot, almost always — but not 100% of the time, maddeningly — I will end up getting stuck with the spinning progress wheel, and never reach the login screen. I've left it running like that overnight once or twice just to be sure... it's well and truly hung.
Whenever this happens, my one and only workaround so far has been to force restart, boot into recovery disk, run disk utility, and repair the disk — which will always turn up file count errors, etc. Following this, a (third) reboot is usually succesful.
I've tried reinstalling Lion once or twice, but this has not resolved the issue. It's also been persistent for at least two iterations of Lion (10.7.3/2).
I've also got Bootcamp with Windows 7 on the same drive, FYI. That boots flawlessly. Oh, the irony.
Any words of wisdom from the community? Would love to finally bury this bug. Between the reboots and the inevitable Spotlight reindexing it chews up untold minutes of cat-video watching time.
I've attached the console.log from one such recent failed boot, below.
Thanks in advance!
Michael
Mar 13 14:57:11 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1331665031 0
Mar 13 14:57:13 localhost com.apple.launchd[1]: *** launchd[1] has started up. ***
Mar 13 14:57:13 localhost com.apple.launchd[1]: *** Verbose boot, will log to /dev/console. ***
Mar 13 14:57:18 localhost com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.sandboxd): Unknown value for key POSIXSpawnType: Interactive
Mar 13 14:57:24 localhost com.apple.pfctl[33]: No ALTQ support in kernel
Mar 13 14:57:24 localhost com.apple.pfctl[33]: ALTQ related functions disabled
Mar 13 14:57:25 localhost com.apple.ucupdate.plist[25]: ucupdate: Checked 1 update, no match found.
Mar 13 14:57:29 localhost com.paceap.eden.licensed[57]: licenseDaemon-FusionHybrid: launched with pid 57
Mar 13 14:57:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: starting CaptiveNetworkSupport as SystemEventAgent built May 25 2011 12:27:35
Mar 13 14:57:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CreateInterfaceWatchList:2788 WiFi Devices Found.
Mar 13 14:57:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - PreProbe
Mar 13 14:57:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCRebuildCache:81 Failed to get service order
Mar 13 14:57:30: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Mar 13 14:57:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - PreProbe
Mar 13 14:57:30 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCRebuildCache:81 Failed to get service order
Mar 13 14:57:31: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Mar 13 14:57:31 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CertsKeychainMonitor: configuring
Mar 13 14:57:33 localhost mDNSResponder[38]: mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-320.14.0 (Nov 16 2011 01:16:56) starting OSXVers 11
Mar 13 14:57:35 localhost airportd[70]: _processDLILEvent: en1 attached (down)
Mar 13 14:57:35 localhost com.apple.usbmuxd[24]: usbmuxd-268.5 on Jan 5 2012 at 03:34:01, running 64 bit
Mar 13 14:57:35 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptiveSCRebuildCache:81 Failed to get service order
Mar 13 14:57:35: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Mar 13 14:57:35 localhost UserEventAgent[11]: CaptiveNetworkSupport:CaptivePublishState:1211 en1 - PreProbe
Mar 13 14:57:36 localhost configd[14]: network configuration changed.
Mar 13 14:57:36 Michael-Mac-Deux configd[14]: setting hostname to "Michael-Mac-Deux.local"
Mar 13 14:57:36 Michael-Mac-Deux systemkeychain[79]: done file: /var/run/systemkeychaincheck.done
Mar 13 14:57:36 Michael-Mac-Deux configd[14]: network configuration changed.
Mar 13 14:57:37: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Mar 13 14:57:37 Michael-Mac-Deux mDNSResponder[38]: D2D_IPC: Loaded
Mar 13 14:57:37 Michael-Mac-Deux mDNSResponder[38]: D2DInitialize succeeded
Mar 13 14:57:38 Michael-Mac-Deux UserEventAgent[11]: ServermgrdRegistration cannot load config data
Mar 13 14:57:38 Michael-Mac-Deux UserEventAgent[11]: get_backup_share_points no AFP
Mar 13 14:57:38 Michael-Mac-Deux com.apple.kextd[10]: Can't load /System/Library/Extensions/System.kext/PlugIns/IOKit6.0.kext - no code for running kernel's architecture.
Mar 13 14:57:38 Michael-Mac-Deux com.apple.kextd[10]: Load com.apple.kernel.iokit failed; removing personalities from kernel.
Mar 13 14:57:39 Michael-Mac-Deux loginwindow[40]: Login Window Application Started
Mar 13 14:57:40 Michael-Mac-Deux netbiosd[90]: Unable to start NetBIOS name service:
Mar 13 14:57:41 Michael-Mac-Deux rpcsvchost[103]: sandbox_init: com.apple.msrpc.netlogon.sb succeeded
Mar 13 14:57:41 Michael-Mac-Deux stackshot[28]: Timed out waiting for IOKit to finish matching.

Have you tried:
Install or Reinstall Lion from Scratch
If possible backup your files to an external drive or second internal drive.
Boot to the Recovery HD:
Restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the COMMAND and R keys until the menu screen appears. Alternatively, restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the OPTION key until the boot manager screen appears. Select the Recovery HD and click on the downward pointing arrow button.
Erase the hard drive:
Select Disk Utility from the main menu and click on the Continue button.
After DU loads select your hard drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Note the SMART status of the drive in DU's status area. If it does not say "Verified" then the drive is failing or has failed and will need replacing. SMART info will not be reported on external drives. Otherwise, click on the Erase tab in the DU main window.
Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Erase button and wait until the process has completed.
Quit DU and return to the main menu.
Reinstall Lion: Select Reinstall Lion and click on the Install button.
Note: You can also re-download the Lion installer by opening the App Store application. Hold down the OPTION key and click on the Purchases icon in the toolbar. You should now see an active Install button to the right of your Lion purchase entry. There are situations in which this will not work. For example, if you are already booted into the Lion you originally purchased with your Apple ID or if an instance of the Lion installer is located anywhere on your computer.

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Hello all,
I'm writing this because I'm not really sure where else to post this at to get an indepth answer. Currently I have a dual G4 450mhz AGP PowerMac that I bought used. When I purchased it, it had 768mb of ram and the only thing it didn't have was a working hard drive. After putting in a new hard drive the system worked great when i intially installed OS9 and later OSX for fun.
However I had to remove the 768mb of RAM because a client PC needed it and that took priority over my dual G4 at the time. Just the other week I purchased 2 x 256mb of RAM from Omni Technologies (omnitechnologies.biz) which guarantees working ram for specified Apple systems.
Upon receiving that ram and installing it, I powered on the G4 only to find it would "hang" when booting OSX (10.3.9). The symptoms are as follows: When powering on I hear the normal chime and the white screen with gray apple logo appears. Seconds later the spinning progress indicator shows up spinning in circles as OSX is booting. However after about 5 minutes with no DVD/hdd activitity, the system then hangs. The gray apple logo changes to a gray 'prohibited' logo. It's the logo of the circle with the slash through it. Like the kind you see over no-smoking signs.
I figured the hard drive was messed up and I decided to reinstall OSX cleanly. However when I booted from the CD by pressing 'c', the EXACT SAME symptoms above happened. It was at this point I started getting really worried. So I decided to remove the hard drive temporarily and boot from the CD just to make sure it really was booting from the CD. Unfortunately the exact same symptoms happened.
Out of desperation to make sure that my hardware was OK, I decided to install OS 9.2.1 which installed and WORKED perfectly. I also installed UbuntuPPC and Slackintosh versions of linux which also installed and worked perfectly.
The issue appears to reside with OSX. I've borrowed friends cd's of 10.2-10.3 and all of them will NOT install. They start to boot from the CD, but never even make it to the first window.
Help!!
Brad

Actually trying one stick in each individual slot was one of the first things I did. Unfortunately that did not provide a resolution for me.
Thanks for the links regarding the broken folder/prohibitory sign. I read those and they made mention of resetting the nvram and pram. I just did that a bit earlier today but logging into the open firmware by pressing Option-Command-F-O and typing: reset-nvram; set-defaults; reset-all.
Upon the reboot and after I plugged the hdd with OSX on it back into the system, the resolution was a bit off as I figured. But this time there was no progress indicator. Instead only the gray apple logo showed and there was no response from the hdd or cdrom drive.
I also noticed that the USB mouses red light went out within the first 45 seconds of booting. I swapped out keyboards and mice and the new ones did the same thing as well. I also tested the memory in an imac I have and OSX that is installed ont heimac works gerat with that stick of memory. I'm leaning towards the fact that the memory I have is fine, being that it was ordered from a company that specifically guaranteed it to work on macs of all kinds.
Any other thoughts or ideas?

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I built a new system today, everything right out of the box (except the HDs):
K7N2-Delta ILSR
Athlon FX 2500+ w/factory cooler
Kingston KVR333X64C25/512
Sapphire Radeon 9100 Atlantis
Western Digital 60GB
Western Digital 80GB
Pioneer DVR106
Antec Sonata case, 380W
After bolting it all together, the D bracket shows that the system hangs at 'Boot Attempt' (upper left LED red, others green). I've taken it apart and reassembled it, checked all the drive jumpers, reseated cables, etc. Cleared the CMOS and reset the jumper. Moved the memory to all three slots, no change.
When I turn it on, the drives spin up, fans come on, and everything seems OK. Still, nothing.
Any suggestions before I start the percussive maintenance on it?
Thanks!
-bruce

them models should be ok the bb you need to butcher the ide
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=1438&sid=
>Thanks. Read it and think I am on track. Checked my specs and was surprised the the 80GB is 7200rpm.
check jumpers there pin 4 is slave and i assume it an 80 wire ide blue end in board
>Right on both. Still, I am trying to boot with just one (have only tried the 60GB).
and in top one of 3 ide slots as lower is the raid one and it will not work as a regular ide nor in raid with 2x drives
>Spot on: cable's connected to the middle of the three IDE slots. DVD is on IDE 2, but I think I will disconnect and use my trusty CD-ROM until I get up and running.
myself i use all my wd drives in cable select
>Thanks, will try that too. I am at work, so will have to wait until I get home this afternoon to try your suggestions. Thanks again!

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