Happy accident?: AirPlay available on separate wifi networks

I have an apple airport express version 2011 hooked up to my ISP issued Zyxel modem/router. I use the airport express for a 5ghz signal that I use to stream Netflix and then mirror back onto apple tv for viewing in the living room. From my tests I need the 5 ghz to handle the bandwidth requirements to stream Netflix to laptop and then stream back to apple tv.
The drawback is that I can't have my iPhone 4 on the same network because it doesn't support 5ghz. Nevertheless I have my Zyxel modem/router shooting a 2.4 ghz signal. While the iPhone 4 is connected to the modem/router wifi network, I am able to send music from my iPhone 4 to airport express even though they are on separate wifi networks (although the airport express is connected to Zyxel modem/router through an Ethernet cable). The airplay icon occasionally disappears and a restart of the phone or app does not make it reappear.
What gives? Fom the apple literature, this is not supposed to be possible. I am wanting to understand this because I will soon buy a dd wrt flashed router and if my current setup is more than a mere fluke, I'll purchase a cheaper router with the intention of hardwiring apple tv while using iPhone 4 as a remote on a separate wifi network. That way I won't have to buy a more expensive router simply to have a dual band network going. I plan to use the dd wrt router with VPN installed to stream Netflix to apple tv directly. too bad VPN services do not support installation on airport extreme.
Your insights are appreciated. Thanks.

Interesting hypothesis B-rock. I could try contacting the network administrator but my guess is that I'll be met with a blank look when I ask for that! Still can't be bad to try!
Another piece of "anecdotal" evidence for you. At the local garden centre (which is part of a chain) I used to be able to connect - no problem. Then suddenly all connections failed - at all locations. I am leaning towards believing that they have changed routers to more "modern" ones and for some reason these new routers won't allow connection to an iPod/iPad etc. As yet I cannot confirm this or otherwise and unless someone comes up with a bright idea I'm left with the feeling that unless the network administrator recognises that he/she needs to create a network that works with iPads/iPhones etc we're doomed. I noticed that the next table over using a PC had no problems! Grrrr.

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To use AirPlay, you need the following:
1. iPhone 4s (or later), iPad 2 (or later), iPad mini, or iPod touch (5th generation)
2. Apple TV (2nd or 3rd generation)
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4. Wi-Fi (802.11a/g/n) network
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4437

Using Airport Express as separate wifi network vs extender with Time Capsule?

Hello all. I recently converted my home computer network from Windows/PC based to an iMac with Time Capsule. On my previous setup, I had a Cisco/Linksys router with wifi, and I also had two Airport Expresses in separate areas of the house where the Linksys had a weak signal. Obviously, I had the Airport Expresses set up as "separate" wifi networks, as they could not be used as network extenders with the Linksys. This setup seemed to work really good, as the 3 wifi networks provided good blanket coverage in all parts of the house. Each network also seemed to "hand-off" to the other pretty well, meaning that Airport Express 1 would show as the active network when you moved far enough away from the Linksys (or insert any of the network names here, even though I'm pretty sure that the device accessing the network has more to do with this than the networks themselves). In particular, the speeds that I got from the Airport Expresses actually eclipsed the speeds that I would get from the Linksys wifi.
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It is not a simple issue.
Exactly which method works best is going to take some experimentation.
The way you are trying to set it up as a roaming network is generally considered the best.. but the devices like iphones do not hand off neatly.
It is interesting that they in fact used to hand off better using the Linksys.. which could be due to its poorer range. The new TC having so much better range is causing the phones to not swap "towers" to the local express.
Test it with a Mac laptop.. as generally they do hand off better.
I cannot quite figure out if you are using roaming correctly. All the wireless should have identical names, with identical security setting and passwords.
The only thing that should be different is wireless channels on each item. And you are likely just using auto anyway.
So each device is creating a wireless network. And for 2.4ghz one should be channel 1, then another channel 6 and another channel 11. For 5ghz it will be same idea but there are more channels available.
When you extend wireless, everything runs the same channel. But the wireless speed is reduced. You must disconnect ethernet to each of the expresses.. and the problem is your 30-40mbps will reduce permanently to 15-20mbps for all clients. So take your choice.. 15-20mbps for all clients forced to double hop is better than 5-7mbps which you experience now when you walk around.. although I am not sure how much browsing you do whilst walking. You may need to compromise which is the better out of several not great alternatives.
I would have a test.. which is wrong btw.. but I have heard that it works.
In your roaming network at the present time. Try setting each router to a manual wireless channel.. and fix all of them the same. So for instance, set 2.4ghz to channel 11. Try fixing the 5ghz as well, say the TC is defaulting to 149, it might not actually respond to manual wireless channels.. you will need to test this.. say set to 36 or 40 and see if the TC is actually changed.. if not just set all the expresses to 149 as well. What you are doing is trying to reinforce the wireless in each area.. but this is actually wrong. So all will have same wireless name and same security wpa2 personal is the only valid one.. and all the same password.
Test with a few clients and see if the results give you decent local speeds as well as better roaming.. once you decide which to do, then you will need to change all the clients.

Using Time Capsule as a second, separate wifi network?

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On my screen I see (obviously not written like this)
network connect- yes
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This is the only negative I can find and the statement that the Apple TV has connected to the wifi but is not connected to the internet.
Where has it gone wrong for me. Please help

It is not properly connected to the network.
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See
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