Hard drive failure with OSX 10.4.3 + 10.4.4

Not sure if it is related to 10.4.3, 10.4.4., or my attempt to connect to a Windows server? I have had Had 2 hard drive failures since yesterday(bad node)on an old G4 + a G5. Disk Utilities could not repair it. FSCK could not be run.
I was able to fix the G4 by resetting the motherboard (PRU?) and resetting the PRAM. Hard drive showed no errors afterwards and it works fine now.
No such luck on the G5. Apple Genius at the Apple store erased the hard drive and re-installed the operating system. After my first restart, I now have a similar hard drive failure. (Invalid sibling link).
I am now zeroing out the hard drive and will try again with installing 10.3. I'll keep posted.
Franz
G4, G5, PowerBook   Mac OS X (10.4)  
G4, G5, PowerBook   Mac OS X (10.4)  

Thank you for your helpful and quick advice.
Unfortunately, I did not have the latest version of Disk Warrior. Your probably right that zeroing the drive was overkill, but what a great feeling to start over! I feel like I just took a shower, broke up with my girlfriend, and moved to Italy to start a new life.
I went ahead and installed a retail version of OSX 10.4.3 and I am back up and running. I am going to stay a away from the latest OSX software updates for now to see how things play out.
--Franz
Zeroing is not necessary in most cases. A bad node
can frequently be repaired by Alsoft Disk Warrior
(assuming your data is backed up). If your data
isn't backed up, a bad node can often be read through
by Prosoft Data Rescue.
If I didn't catch you in time to stop your zeroing,
if installing the operating system you have
difficulty with zeroing, then perhaps the drive has
failed or its connector has failed. Be sure when you
go to install to only install the operating system
that came with the computer or a newer retail
operating system.

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    I have read good reports concerning Data Rescue although I have not used it myself.
    Once you get your data back, focus on a regular (even daily) backup routine, because as you know only so well, the question is not if a drive will fail, it's when.
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