Hard drives - very long wake up

In my office we have a small (5-6 machine) network of Macs. We connect to a PM G4 that we use as a server. I recently swapped out this machine for a newer one and have an issue I'm trying to resolve.
The old machine was a PM G4 graphite 400MHz. It had two LaCie FW external drives hooked up that contain all the data we need to access over the network from the workstation machines. This older server was running 10.4.11. Both drives are formatted as HFS Extended.
The new machine is a PM G4 MDD. I removed the data disks from their FW enclosures and installed them internally in the lower front bays. This machine is running 10.5.2. File Sharing is over AFP only.
The client machines are PM G5s and a Mac Pro, all running 10.4.11. They all experience the issue.
My issue is that on the old server machine, when we would access the data disks over the network after they had sat idle for a while, there would be a short (~5 sec) delay while the HD spun up. That's fine and to be expected. But now on the new machine, the delay for the HD is more like 20 seconds.
The only fix I've really tried is that I initially had the drives set as master/slave, but after doing some looking around discovered that they should be set to cable select. Changing that did not help the issue.
Any ideas why installing these drives on the faster internal connection of a faster Mac running Leopard would cause much longer delays in accessing them after they have sat idle?
Message was edited by: Bill Pendry 2

Well, I'd like to avoid preventing the drives from sleeping. This machine is on 24/7 and I'd like the drives to be able to take a rest during off hours so they don't die too quickly.
I timed the wake from idle time yesterday and it's actually pretty much exactly 30 seconds.
Just for the sake troubleshooting, I did set the preference to prevent them from sleeping. The issue went away.
30 seconds is a totally unreasonable amount of time for a drive to wake from sleep. I've owned/worked on many Macs with secondary drives on ATA, SATA, FW, etc. and none have ever taken anywhere near half a minute to wake up.

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Suggestions? Clues? Comments? I'd rather not lose a year's worth of Time Machine back-ups at this point, plus I can't even reformat the drive.

HELP! Hard drive no longer recognized

Installed Lion on my MBP first day. Everything worked great except that my TM backup would no longer work on my WD external hard drive, so I had no backup. WD is supposed to be working on this.
Yesterday, while checking email I get the spinning wheel. Spun for about 15 minutes so I did a hard boot. (Held the button down until shutdown)
When the computer tried to come back, all I get is the apple screen with a spinning wheel again. So I restart with option key down so I can look at the drives. The drives shown are the Lion recovery disc, Bootcamp, and EFI boot disc. Everything I read said I need to erase the Macintosh HD and reinstall OS. I erased the disc, still no luck. When I run disc utility, verify disc, it says the volume MacintoshHD appears to be OK, but when I try to reinstall the origional OS from the DVD that came with my computer, it says the disc is not available.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I can see it in the disk utility, but not in the install window. This is the part that I don't understand.
I don't understand it either. I think there may be issues involved in installing Lion on a drive with a Boot Camp partition. That's why I think you should start over with a blank drive. Restore everything except Boot Camp to the state it was in before you installed Lion. Go through the whole installation process again, and when everything is working, run Boot Camp in Lion if you wish.
By the way, for future reference, you made mistakes that may have made matters worse.
When an application hangs, force-quit it. Don't do a forced reboot except as a last resort.
If you can't boot, try booting in safe mode, or from the Lion recovery partition. Don't erase a boot volume except as a last resort.
You need at least two independent backups of all your data, one of which should be off-site.

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