Hard return paragraph breaks at top of text frames

I'm learning how to do book layouts in InDesign CS4 and I have a problem I can't figure out how to solve. I'm autoflowing huge chunks of pasted text into linked text frames and when a paragraph breaks (with a double hard return) at the same place as a new page/column, there is a blank line on the top of the text frame like so:
Is there a way to automatically make that paragraph break line go away when it comes at the top of a new text frame? My document is 400+ pages with many, many paragraphs. I don't want to get rid of the hard return spaces between all of them, just the ones that come at the top of text frames.

To expand slightly, space before and after are ignored at the top of a column or frame, but the empty paragraph is not.
You might want to try out the "Find/Change by List" sample script which fixes multiple returns along with leading and trailing whitespace and double space after a period (among other common problems). It's really just a chained set of Find/Change operations that can speed up the cleanup of new text.

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I think I already know the answer to this which is - no. I'll explain why I am asking the question in a second, but the reason I think the simple answer is no is because - text frames are controlled by a designer in the layout file, an editor using incopy can only edit the text and images placed inside text frames, and so cannot resize them, add or delete them.
Ok, so the reason I have asked this.
Is there a way around this so that editors in incopy can edit certain types of text frame that are contained within the main text frame? I'm using these text frames to contain specific paragraph styles, giving them a boxed look and also with an anchored icon in the top left of the text frame depending on the type of paragraph it is. See screenshot as an example of a green text frame that I am using to contain paragraphs of type "tip".
If it is not possible for editors in incopy to add, edit or resize these text frames (green tip frame in the example above), then how else can I style these paragraphs to give the same visual appearance, but without the use of wrapping them in a text frame?
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Michael Witherell wrote:
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When I hit a hard return in a paragraph where I would like a
line break, it drops the next line down further than I would like
it, so I usually a soft return, and it gives it a tag
instead of a tag. Is this a bad practice to keep hitting
soft returns and filling the html with tags. Is there
a better way to have a line break?
Also, I have a habit of just hitting return to get further
down, for example:
A line of spaced out copy
A line of spaced out copy
etc.
Is this a bad technique to be hitting return so much?

>> Is this a bad practice to keep hitting soft returns
and filling the html
>> with tags.
Yes. It creates sloppy, hard to maintain code and if the
visitor increases
their font size the page will look really wonky.
> Is there a better way to have a line break?
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padding in some
circumstances) of your paragraphs. (text
here)
Walt
"614mike" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> When I hit a hard return in a paragraph where I would
like a line break,
> it
> drops the next line down further than I would like it,
so I usually a soft
> return, and it gives it a tag instead of a
 tag. Is this a bad
> practice to keep hitting soft returns and filling the
html with 
> tags.
> Is there a better way to have a line break?
> Reason I am asking is a guy looked at the html and said
why are there />
> tags everywhere?
>

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I am stucked...
I have several books in indesign, which I want to export into epub. I have a standardized procedure, to be able to assign the task to students.
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-with a second find and change find the special character
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My question is how to insert with grep (?) before the first character anything.
Please help me!
Thanks in advance
ND

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... on the top right of THIS web page I can see a heading "Actions", with below it the text "Start a discussion" ...)

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Hello
I am trying to insert a paragraph mark between two lines of text using find/change
The first line has a heading style and I want to insert an empty line (Paragraph) after it and before the next line (without changing any formatting)
I am able to use enter the correct parameters in find but can't figure out what parameter to use in 'Change to"
Forced line break doesn't produce what I want. Neither does standard carriage return (not sure what that is)
I have tried both Text and Grep dialogs without success. Yes I read the help files.
This will be simple for you guys but is stumping me.
Any ideas oh brilliant ones?
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Err, a paragraph mark? You mean a paragraph break?
Anyhow, if you insist on Doing it Wrong, you can use ^p ("End of Paragraph") in the change field. So you might
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Yes-a paragraph break.' Sorry for the imperfect terminology
The first line is a heading style which I was advised in this forum to make into a 'list style' due to TOC issues
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I did use the
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I'm exporting a file I created in InDesign CS4 to Kindle and finding that the last line of every paragraph has more spacing above it than the rest of the paragraph. I've found that adding a line break (Shift+return) will solve the problem but this means that I can't add paragraph styles to the text. Is there a place where I can specify the leading for paragraph breaks?
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joymiki wrote:
…the last line of every paragraph has more spacing above it than the rest of the paragraph.
Do you mean that, or is there more space below the last line of the paragraph? If you mean below, I'd say to check the space-after paragraph attribute. If you really do have space above the last line of a paragraph, you probably have some keystrokes within that last line set with a different leading as a local override. A pure paragraph style wouldn't do that, because there is only one leading amount for a paragraph without using local overrides. The first place I'd check is the paragraph return. If you select just the return (double-click after the final punctuation mark, or place the cursor at the beginning of the next paragraph and hit the left arrow while holding the shift key), you can see if the return character has a different leading than the rest of the paragraph.
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