Have to render EVERYTHING

Recently I have been having to render everything I put into the timeline and I can't for the life of me find out why. Can someone suggest a checklist that I can go through to figure this out? I have an intel iMac, 2GB of RAM, use Hi Def video from Canon HV20. Codec is set to HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50 but I think that is what I have always used. In the past I would not have to render until I was well into the editing process but now, anything I drop into the timeline, even if it is a blank project, has to be rendered. It's making editing impossible.
I use a Lacie 1TB disk as a scratch disk. Could it be the amount of data on this disk?
HELP!!!!!!

Here are differences between the clip and the sequence
vid rate for clip is 29.97 fps, vid rate for sequence is 25 fps
data rate for clip is 8.9 MB/sec, data rate for sequence is blank
alpha for clip is None(Ignore), alpha for sequence is blank
composite for clip is normal, composite for sequnce is blank
audio for clip is 1 Stereo, audio for sequence is 2 outputs
audio format for clip is 16 bit integer, audio format for sequence is 32 bit floating point
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I have to render everything

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I have no external hardware,only DAC-100 analog to DV converter.
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How much RAM do you have? I hope not 768 M. That would be your first problem if so.

I have to render everything to see my changes!

I am having a real problem here. I am using a Flip Mino HD Camcorder (for now), to record all my video & audio. I have taken all the m4v video clips and opened them up in Quicktime and then exported them to .mov files. The original video clips are HD 720p/30 frames, and I exported just the same.
Every time I bring in a new clip I have to render the audio. If I apply a simple effect like adding text, or a glow, just about ANYTHING I can preview anything until I render. Also, it always tell me that my source doesn't match my project and it will switch it to match the 1st clip but I selected the HD 720p/30 frame option which is exactly what the actual clips are.
What can I do in order to have the "real time" rendering that so many people are able to acheive? Any clues of what I'm doing wrong? Please let me know if you need more info because I really want this issue to be solved. I spend more then 50% of my time rendering video just to preview the effect rather then editing and creating media.

I rendered the file with H.264 - 30 frames, multi pass, automatic bit rate, 720 x 1280.
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Why do I have to render everything??

Hi there,
I am very new to both Mac and Final Cut Express. I got final cut a few days ago now and a friend of mine has asked me to chop up some video for him.
It was originally a .VOB file so I've used a converter to convert the files into .MOV (QuickTime) and imported them into FCPE. My problem lies with the fact that I have to render each of these clips as soon as I put them in and then again when I apply any effects. I see this as a lot of hassle for such simple tasks, am I doing something wrong?
I used Sony Vegas on Windows before and there was significantly less rendering to be done.
Josh

>Just to clarify then, I should use MPEG Streamclip to convert the .VOB files to QuickTime DV/DVCPro and then that should solve the rendering issue?
Absolutely. The key to not having to render is to make sure the media you bring into a project and place on the Timeline matches the Sequence settings exactly. So when converting a DVD's VOB files, use MPEG Streamclip to convert to QuickTime DV/DVCPro or to AIC, whichever your Sequence is set for. Usually you'd use QuickTime DV for standard definition footage and AIC for high definition footage.
Here's a tutorial for using MPEG Streamclip: http://www.secondchairvideo.com/?p=739
Once all the footage in the Timeline matches the Sequence settings, you shouldn't have to render anything for playback until you've added enough effects that your system can't keep up with (filters, transitions, composites, layers, etc). Of course, some media like still images are video and will always need to be rendered for output as video.
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The only thing that has changed that I can think of is that the video is now almost two hours long. I'm curious to know why now all text added in has to be rendered when in the beginning it did not. Thanks.

Well as your project gets more complicated you are adding to the things fcp and the mac have to keep track of so you are adding to system overhead. If you take a bunch of stills and edit them into a new timeline, you'll see the first stills will be real time and the later stills will require a render. Seems to be the way things are.

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>as far as i know, my files are not compressed. and there should be no reason why i can't just upload without the render
Oh but you're wrong. The files your camera records are extremely compressed. Your camera uses a recording format that was never designed for editing and certainly does not work natively in FCE ... hence the extremely long and constant renders.
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Do I have to render EVERYTHING?!

Hi,
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I've managed to import clips from Finder (they came via an SD card from a HD camera) and have put them on the timeline, but I've had a number of strange things happening:
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* I can only play back one clip before it tells me there are dropped frames, and to turn off unlimited RT... what is this and where can I find it?!
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*I'm pretty new to FCP, although I've used Adobe Premiere in the past and got on just fine with it.*
*I've managed to import clips from Finder (they came via an SD card from a HD camera) and have put them on the timeline, but I've had a number of strange things happening:*
*beeping sound when I try and play back the timeline*
The beeping means the audio is unrendered
*can't add video effects (all greyed out)*
not sure on this one
**the whole timeline is unrendered the whole time - but there is no effect on them. why do they need to render if I've done nothing to them?!*
some video formats are not natively supported by FCP. What you may need to do is convert all the clips to a different codec/filetype (apple pro res is good, though a little memory hefty) and then import them into FCP. Also, did you import directly from your camera, or did you copy the videos over to a hard drive first? That might be your problem as well.
*I can only play back one clip before it tells me there are dropped frames, and to turn off unlimited RT... what is this and where can I find it?!*
The RT (or "real time") settings are available in the form of a little ovalish button on the top left corner of the timeline window. It says "RT" on it.
*I'm not too techy, but I recall someone telling me that you can't save the final project in the same place as the original clips, so I am now using a 612G server as the scratchdisk.*
You can save the final project in the same place as the clips. However, never save to the SD card in a camera.
*If it's because the files are too big for the computer to play with, is this what offline editing is for? If so how do I do it - the FCP tutorial on it didnt't explain offline editing when you import from Finder*
Others around here may have a better explanation of this, so I wont risk confusion on the issue here. I'll only say that...
*Copied from 'About this Mac'... 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 4GB 8-- MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM*
...with a computer like that, there should be no trouble with file sizes/band width, or codecs. I do HDV and Pro Res editing on my macbook pro without a hiccup.
*Any thoughts?*
Thanks
Louise
I hope I was of some help.

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DerekBrackett wrote:
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Every time FCPX starts I have to render my project

I experience a really awful problem...
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I'm using the latest version of everything, also from the CoreMelt plug-in I'm using in this project.
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I have 64 GB RAM so this should not be the problem.
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Dropped frames during playback & must render everything & tried everything

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I am editing a multiple camera project with a lot of color correction (to get the cameras to match up), and photo montages with motion and image compositing.
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Even if you use Dynamic as your playback setting, depending on the complexity of the edit or composite, you may still get dropped frames. Keep in mind that the weak link in this chain is the FW800 connection. You also mentioned that you using quite a bit of color correction as well as motion effects. Depending on the color correction, the more that you add to your sequence as far as effects are concerned, the more processing is required. The dropped frames that you are experiencing is most likely the computer trying to maintain realtime playback at the expense of the quality of the picture. In order to really judge the final result, you'll need to render.
The official definition of Dynamic Playback:
This option allows Final Cut Pro to automatically change between high,
medium, and low quality as necessary to maintain real-time playback. In this case,
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Please, help us to help you:
1) what is the exact camera model?
2) what format(s) it shoots?
3) what preset did you choose in easy setup dialog in FCE?
4) seelct sequence in browser and use get info contextual menu and look what is sequence format there.
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I import my ACVHD footage from my sony cameras into FCE. I then place these into my timeline which I name Sequence 1. I move them around and edit how I'd like. Then I create a new sequence which I call Sequence 2. I drag Sequence 1 down into my Sequence 2 time line so I have a nice clean work space on one track. I then add a few graphics here and there. For purpose of this question, I know my graphics should have been the correct sizes but they are what they are. Sequence now is entirely red barred for me to render, but I don't. I then create another new sequence which I will call Sequence 3. When I drage Sequence 2 from my browser into Sequence 3, that too is red barred. But I add some more graphics into Sequence 3. Now I render Sequence 3 so all is good. So I want to export Sequence 3 into a quicktime movie. Since Sequence 3 is fully rendered, do I need to have Sequence 2 rendered to obtain maximum quality? Or since Sequence 3 is comprised of Sequence 2 as long as I export Sequence 3 everythign is all good? Or do I need to render each sequence as I build the project?

If the underlying media (sequences and/or clips) need to be rendered but aren't, FCE will have to render them during export. Not the ideal time to be rendering, as it will at a minimum increase your export time. Plus if you export unrendered material to a QT reference file, the rendered material will be put in the reference file itself. Not what a reference file is intended for.
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