HD NTSC to Anamorphic PAL question

I have compressed a 1280 x 720 HD NTSC sequence into an H264. Now I'm converting it to PAL through Compressor. And to try and maintain the 16.9 Ratio I'm trying the Settings : HD NTSC to Anamorphic PAL. But I don't know if it will come out "Squezed" and if in Europe they have TVs that "unsqueeze" the image? I don't know either how a 16.9 image looks in 4,3 in case I have to redo the conversion? Does anybody have any experience or knowledge in this, and could help me?
Thank you very much.

Thank you Nick, I hear you. Unfortunately I'm up against 2 obstacles: time and money. This is a (very) limited budget operation, and I can only send up to 2 Gb via YouSendit to several places in Europe, instead of a DVD via Fedex. But I will follow your advice of redoing the conversion to PAL at the source of 1280 x 720, and then compress the resultin PAL via H264 ( ProRes 422, which I tried, was too big) to end with a less that 2Gb file hopefully.

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The quickest (but may not be best) is to run the assets in bulk through Compressor (but this will also depend on whether you have the Final Cut files still).
2,000 video files is daunting, so try to stay as organized as possible
Also as an aside, more people who use PAL (ex-U.S.) have the ability to play NTSC as compared to the U.S. which is more NTSC centric, so you may want to keep that in mind depending on the project, the audience and whether you will need a PAL version.

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x

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Hi! I'd like know how i can convert my ntsc project into PAL.
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Or It is possible put my NTSC movie into PAL project and let encore transcode the movie? Thank you very much and sorry my english.

You have several options.
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>Maybe worth a feature request for CS5?
God in heaven - NO!
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Hey there guys,
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back at the window, top right, you will see 'submit.'.., hit that and it will send the job to the render window.., watch the magic
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Anamorphic PAL Frames Sizes

If i'm working with anamorphic PAL footage and i want to output a sequence as Quicktime MPEG4, then the frame size is 720x576 but it is stretched to what size?
What frame size will give me the full frame in QT in 16x9?
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The"frame size" for PAL Standard Definition is 720x576, 4:3 or 16:9. The difference is in the pixel aspect ratio:
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PAL 16:9 >> Pixel aspect ratio 1.422
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1, Select a Quicktime6, MPEG4 preset (if you want MPEG4, of course !!)
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You'll get an MPEG4 movie in 16:9 format.
If my basic english explanation is not complete clear . . . please let me know.
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I have some questions about creating iMovie for use in iDVD and about the various formats. Here goes:
I have a large number of travel photos taken in various cities that I need to use to create a project in iMovie. In addition, I have a couple of smallish video segments that go with each of these cities. I want to be able to get to any section from the DVD menus. The sections being defined as the either the videos or the photos for each individual city. Also, I need to be able to create both NTSC and PAL formatted DVD's from this exercise.
Now, as I understand it, there's several ways I can approach this:
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Second, I can create one long project in iMovie. Put chapter markers in it and export it to the media browser. Then, import it into iDVD and use the chapter markers referenced from the various menu picks. If I go this route, once again, how do I account for the NTSC versus PAL differences? And again, what's the best export settings for optimal viewing?
I guess much of this question relates to the issue of having to specify a format in both iMovie and iDVD. If I choose NTSC in iMovie, but use PAL in iDVD, other than the obvious format mismatch, what actually happens by doing this? Or, turn it around. Use PAL in iMovie and NTSC in iDVD. Again, what's the ramifications of doing this?
Just trying to figure out the best way of going about this and what the tradeoffs are for each approach. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Oh... and sorry to have been so long winded.
Many thanks in advance,
Tom

Hi
Oh Dear. Is this an assigned task from an editing turor. Then He/She is mean.
a. If You want a DVD - Then You should not use iMovie'08 or 09 or 11 as they can not export interlaced video to iDVD as it needs but discard every second line resulting in a less quality DVD. Use (for SlideShows and Movies)
• iMovie up to HD6 (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FinalCut any version (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FotoMagico (if You make only a SlideShow - can not do movies)
If persisting with iMovie'08-11 - Then DO NOT use "Share to iDVD" from within any version of iMovie (not 3 - HD6 either) as they do a bad job. But in iM'08-11 "Share to Media Browser" and as Large. In iM HD6 or FCE/P Save as QuickTime .mov and import this into iDVD.
b. NTSC and PAL - If DVD is to be sent to EU (PAL) - then most DVD-players also playback NTSC so conversion is not needed (mostly).
There are NO way to make a combo version PAL & NTSC - They do not exist.
If You make a PAL iMovie /FC project - then DO NOT let iDVD convert to NTSC (or other way either)
• it can do so - BUT Result is severely BAD
I use JES_Deinterlacer to make the conversion and it's so much better. (free on internet)
But absolutly best result is by doing two versions in the movie-editor - one PAL and one NTSC version.
c. Use High quality DVD brand - I only use Verbatim DVD-R
and set down burn speed to x4 - Less burn errors and plays on many more Players.
Just to start with.
Take one Q at a time and we can fix this.
Yours Bengt W

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