HD, SD, NTSC and the UK

So many initials, so little time..
OK. I'm about to buy a new camera, and I want to go HD. I am in the UK and I can get an NTSC model cheaper than PAL. Is this a problem for me given:
The camera I want will output HD as SD - this would be in NTSC
I would like to end up with PAL DVD's in SD from time to time
I'd like to keep reasonable quality.
I would not need to output direct from camera to a tv.
As I understand it, for HD the PAL / NTSC distinction is not applicable.. This would only affect SD output..
The camera I have my eye on is the Canon HV20. Am I making a false economy getting the NTSC version in the UK..?
Thanks for the help..

In HD it doesn't make a difference in the cameras can usually. It's only in SD that the cameras can usually only shot one or the other. If you're in the UK, don't buy and NTSC camera if you want to do any SD work or play back SD tapes. Most likely false economy.

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