HDCAM capture with KONA LH. Recomended storage.

Hi all
I am about to undertake capturing and editing footage from a HDCAM source. I am used to working with Uncompressed SD footage normally from DIGIBeta, capturing using a AJA kona LH card with KONA KLbox connecting decks, etc. The computer is a 4 x 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5.
I can hire in relevant HDcam deck. Was planning to capture via SDI, using the AJA KONA 1080i 25 10bit (1080 50i is what the footage is recorded in). I believe they want to deliver it the same way, so hope to not do any down conversion for editing.
My main concern is storage. Normally when we work in 625 25 10bit setting we just capture onto externall drives conected via Firewire800. I believe however this would not be a fast enough connection when working with 1080i. If so can anyone recomend a decent solution which is on the cost effective side?
I am also wondering about the AJA Kona 1080i 25 ProRess (HQ) setting. Is this meant to be a loss-less compression, reducing file size whilst still maintaining HD resolution? Will this work with the current Firewire800 storage connection, as the file sizes, data rate, will be reduced? Bear in mind the program is for broadcast.
Any suggestion will be very much appreciated.
Neil

For UNCOMPRESSED you will need SERIOUS fast storage. Talking at LEAST eSATA, but really something like MiniSAS or Fibre. CalDigit VR or GRaid 3 via eSATA will work. up to 2TB. Or you can look into the HD One from them, or the EVO HD from MaxxDigital. Firewire won't cut it anymore for Uncompressed.
HOWEVER...prores is pretty lossless...compresses well. And you can capture that to firewire 800, or internal SATA drives. Caldigit VR will work, as will G-RAID 3. But it might be a good time to get good solid RAID 5 storage...so a tower like the maxxDigital or Caldigit ones.
Shane

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Well I did some googling...and I would bet that the problem is the 50hz vs 60hz...
Unfortunately most if not all info I got that even BRUSHES on this subject with the sort of material you're dealing with is the opposite....where they are in 60cycle land with pal stuff....rather than in pal land dealing with 60hz ...
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#708
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When operating in either of these 25 modes, the deck generates new 25fps timecode from the tape (although our tests have indicated that it is frame accurate of multiple playback passes).
Basically, Varicam, while a very nice idea, has only ever been properly designed to work in a 60Hz environment. It is pretty much a nightmare in 50Hz environments.
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For some reason when I started my project it had a Device Control profile set to 720p50 (rather than the 1080i50 that the deck is operating in).
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Because if I am right you can't do Pal over 60hz but you can do PAL over 60P at 50hz.
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But the other problem is that you are using an ntsc profile to capture pal recorded footage.
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Neither myself, nor Ricksta (I don't think) are using NTSC-rate profiles.
The Preset setting I've been testing with is:
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Indeed, I've just tried what Rick mentioned, and with the deck in 59.94Hz operating frequency, I can capture with all three 720p 59/60 input settings. This is technically wrong however, as the tape has been recorded at 60Hz. But like I said before, until Rick hears from the big geeks at Panasonic about this, I don't know what the real outcome of that difference in frequency is.
I've also tried a 50p over 60p project setting (as 720p50 is what I will be editing with in Avid) - but, predictably, this works but gives me double-speed footage. Which, while amusing, isn't a lot of help for me
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We realise that the framerate and frequency we're working in has to be 50-based, and we're not making any mistakes in that respect.
So far Edius is the only NLE on the market, that I have been able to find, that supports Firewire capture from 60Hz DVCPro HD material in a 50Hz based framerate.
When you have captured the file in that project select a clip in the bin press alt+enter go to video info and tell me what the framerate is .
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At present if I capture into 25p over 60p project, then import the resulting 25p footage into Avid, Avid doubles up the frames to produce 50fps material.
Some clarification here. The Varicam does indeed record at a constant 60fps. If the frame rate is set to 25fps for example it simply flags the active frames. This flag is carried in the vertical interval data. The reason for this system, is as suggested, it is very difficult to vary the speed of tape in a helical scan recording system. With the advent of solid state recording that Panasonic introduced in the AG-HVX200 it is now possible of course to only record the active (native) frames and this would be called 25pn for example.
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I hope that this helps clear things up a little.
Rick Haywood
Manager Broadcast & Display Systems
Panasonic New Zealand Ltd.
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