HDV 1440 x 1080 24P question?

My client has just given me 52 GB of HDV 1440 x 1080i 24P raw footage, on an external drive to edit a short 12 min short film. I’m using my old Power Mac G5 / 2GB memory with FCP 6.0.6 and was wondering what’s best to convert the HDV footage to.
Should I convert to Pro Ress 422, or could I just edit it natively? I’m not sure what my best option. Will my computer handle this? I’m planning to do color correction and some multi-layering with special effects. The client wants to use the short film to enter at local film festivals.
Can anyone guide me in the right direction?
Thanking you in advance

Should I convert to Pro Ress 422, or could I just edit it natively?
You must convert to ProRes. HDV is recorded as Long GOP MPEG2 and is not a viable editing codec.
Link: [Working with HDV in Final Cut Pro|http://documentation.apple.com/en/finalcutpro/professionalformatsandworkflo ws/#chapter=2%26section=0]

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Gents, I need your help, suggestions and advice once more.
About 2 months ago, I belatedly and finally entered the HDV world by purchasing a Canon XH-A1s which all in all I’m very pleased with. Due to time constraints, limited processing resources and the complexity of the project involved, it was only earlier this month that I submitted an HDV program to be aired on local access cable.
Well, it turns out that I was under the false impression that their fairly new server that feeds their broadcast system could handle MPEG-2 files with HDV content! Instead, it’s very picky & not the case. Their head tech guru wrote me an e-mail stating that all they got was a black screen (which is embarrassing to all concerned) and that from now on I either submit a NTSC dvd spec 720 by 480 file or my program is off the air.
My Premier Pro project (only v3.2) concerned (currently on the timeline) is 1440 by 1080 shot in 60i with an FPS of 29.97. So now I’m required to downgrade it to SD & do my best to ensure that quality doesn’t take a tremendous hit. The mission is to take this project direct from the timeline (it’s finalized + fully edited) and make an MPEG-2 dvd spec file. Bottom-line, how is this best achieved & by what process/methodology or workflow?
My twin goals are to:
a) Preserve the aspect ratio since I take very tight shots, so a crop and resize probably would do more harm than good. What kind of an option is SD 16:9 over 4:3? What are the pros & cons of each? I don’t want to unintentionally crop off part of a body part for example.
b) To the extent possible, maintain image/footage quality so that it remains watchable. I’m looking for a workflow that will retain quality within reason.
What approach and solution would you take if you were in my shoes?
Am sure others have traveled this route before and would appreciate all input and pointers to mull over and try to apply them not only to this project, but those in the future as well.
Thanks so much.

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Your opinion - Should I go filming on HDV 1440 x 1080 or HD 1920 x 1080?

My production will come up in next few months. We had issues to discuss. Some said it is okay to use 1440x1080 for educational purpose but some said that I should go for HD 1920x1080.
It will be output on DVD. Either on TV or computer.
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This is going onto a DVD (Standard Definintion)...to be played on a computer and TV? Then there is no way in heck ANYONE is going to tell if it was shot 1440x1080 or 1920x1080. Because you are reducing it to 720x480.
That is all moot. HDV is 1440x1080 period...you don't have the choice of 1920x1080. If you want to shoot that, then you need to use another camera. Canon DSLR, AVCHD (Panasonic HMC-150).
What other cameras do you have access to?
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I import in some effects I created in LiveType.
In LiveType under the Preference, I clearly select Apple 1080i50 ... but when I goto FCE4 & import in the LiveType .ipr file, the properties showed it as 1440 x 1080.
Does that mean the rest of my sequence & clips in Timeline (which was recorded in 1920 x 1080) will be downgraded to 1440 x 1080 when I render the whole sequence ?
Another thing, that is puzzling me, when I open up the same LiveType project file & see the project properties, it has changed to HDV 1440 x 1080 despite me changing & saving earlier to Apple 1080i50
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Tom Wolsky wrote:
What are the exact item properties of your FCE sequence?
There is no Apple 1080i50 preset in LiveType. There are HDTV presets and there are two sets of HDV presets, one for the Apple Intermediate Codec. If your FCE sequence is HDV you use the 1440x1080 HDV Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50 preset. If it's 1920x1080 you use the HDTV 1080i50 preset.
Okay thanks Tom, now I understand.
I used to think that Apple 1080i50 is 1920 x 1080.
Btw, my sequence in FCE is 1920 x 1080. So, if I understand you correctly, in LiveType, I should use HDTV 1080i 16:9
However, if my sequence is 1440 x 1080, in LiveType, I should use HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50
My earlier mistake when I said I used Apple 1080i50, I meant I used HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50 in LiveType thinking it is 1920 x 1080. Now I know this is 1440 x 1080, that is why in the browser, the ipr file from LiveType is indicated as 14440 x 1080.
What I should select in the LiveType preset should be HDTV 1080i 16:9. This is to match my FCE sequence of 1920 x 1080.
Is the above correct ?
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It all depends on many things, including the running time. (Which camera did you use, I am assuming it is 24P?) Also I am guessing you want to put this on DVD?
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