HDV 24fps

Canon has introduced a consumer HDV camcorder - HV-20, which can capture at 24p. Can I use iMovie 6 to edit? I understand that iMovie doesn't support 24p - so, is there a workaround, and what are the consequences? Final Cut Studio is not an option, due to price and learning curve.
iMac 20" 2.16GHz Core2Duo Mac OS X (10.4.8)

My understanding is that this camera captures at 24fps and introduces a 2:3 "pull-down" just like the Panasonic DVX 100 (or a film transfer). ie: a "Normal" 2:3 not the advanced pull-down which is designed for 24P post.
So. . .
You "should" be able to edit this in iMovie HD as a 60i (US 30fps interlaced video) HDV2 project.
It can play back the various Canon XLH1, A1, G1 framerates, of course iMovie won't support anything from these except 60i.
The HV20 also offers a Cinema"tone" setting also, for a more "film-like" gamma curve and appropriate chroma settings which can be used independently from the 24P.
If you want/need the 24P motion for a short film it should do a good job, infact it might actually help make the MPeg2 compression more efficient since it would have fewer samples per second to deal with.
I'll just add that the perception of the projects I shoot with my DVX100 @ 24P (w/Cinelike Gamma and Matrix) is always rewarding.
I'm probably picking up one of these for home-movies just to "future proof" them. Even tho' I expect to be shooting work for hire on my DVX for some time yet.

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