HDV - importing and storage...

hey folks.....
a couple of quick questions for you:
1. We shot some footage on HDV Tape to get the the hi-res footage into final cut pro. is it HDV-apple Intermediate codec or is it one of the dvcpro hd settings?
2. How much hard drive space, roughly, will it take up at full res.?
thanks
olly

Because it is heavily compressed into mpeg2, that's why.
Although HDV and DV share the same tape format and the same recorded datarate, they use completely different video compression technology.
The DV codec is strictly an intraframe (spatial) compression. Each DV video frame is recorded as an independent picture, with a fixed bit allocation and uniform placement on the videotape.
The HDV codec is based on MPEG-2 video compression, which employs both intraframe and interframe (temporal) techniques. Interframe compressors store only a fraction of the frames in a video as independent pictures -- called key frames -- and encode the remaining frames as changes relative to them.
Consequently, HDV frames vary in size depending on their prior and future neighbors. In HDV 1080i, one in every 12 (25 FPS) or 15 (30 FPS) frames is a key frames
Hope this helps.

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