Heat comparison demo vs. your macbook

Hi,
I would appreciate any feedback I could get here. I am looking a the macbooks and following the heat issue.
I have now gone to two places that sell Macbooks and seen them on display. The first store 3 on display, and the other store just had a black one. The single black one was sitting on half counter and half pad. It seemed warmer than the 3 that were on display at a different store. The black one that seemed warmer was also on display without its battery. I don't know if that would make a difference.
My question: For those of you who purchased a Macbook and seen one or more on display- is your Macbook about the same temperature as the one on display?
Thank you

Apart from what's already been said, you may also want to note that additional heat is generated by the battery charging process which the demo models, by not having a battery, will not do.
Additionally, by not having the battery inserted the processor speed has actually dropped to 1GHz which means the processor does produce far less heat. The processor temperature difference between setting the processor performance to Highest and Reduced on my PowerBook is over 10ºC/18ºF. By the way, the reason for the processor speed drop is because at peak loads the 60W power adapter actually does not provide enough power and the MacBook gets the difference from battery. As the battery is not present it reduces the speed to ensure it gets the required power from the 60W adapter.
The reduce processor speed is probably the real reason for their cooler operating temperature.

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hi guys,
can I know what's your normal and highest temperature of your macbook pro
the late 07 15'' macbook pro, the one right before the unibodies.
??

The highest temp I've seen is just under 180F when trying the "Prey" demo. Usually stays around 120-140F in normal usage (browsing, spreadsheets, etc). It will hit around 155 when watching TV show episodes via the internet. Watching video podcasts in Front Row will seldo runthe temps ove the "normal" range.
I'm very conscious of the heat and take care to never block the bottom of the case or the exhaust vent at the display hinge on the rear edge. Some people use these computers on pillows, blankets, or in their lap and loose the beneficial effects that the case bottom affords, It's designed as a big heat sink--let the air get to it. I also do not run the MBP with the lid closed when it's attached to an external monitor. A lot of heat can escape through the keyboard.
If you are not blocking the case bottom or vents and are still getting overheating, it's time to check Activity Monitor (AM) to see if you have any runaway processes. If you've not run AM before, you need to change the "show" option form its default of "User Processes" to "All Processes." Click the "%CPU" column to sort by processor usage. With no user applications running, the top percent reading should be under 5-10.
The "Prey demo caused excessive writing to system.log and that ran my temps up, even after closing the program. Something bad going on there. I removed the demo completely, cleared system.log and all was sweet again.

UNIVERSITY REPORT | Review Your MacBook Pro

Greetings MBP Users,
I'm a Princeton marketing student completing a comprehensive report on the Apple brand. My focus is on the transition from PowerBooks to MacBook Pros, plus the shift to Intel chips.
My question for you: How happy are you with your MacBook? Detail the PROS and CONS, and share some creative solutions to improve the next generation of Apple portables.
Your comments will be compiled on this university-wide project. Although your insights will be an integral part of the research, your identities will remain anonymous to conform with privacy policies of the school.
I encourage you to invite your friends to submit their reviews. More responses means more accurate results.
Just a friendly reminder before you begin - please be as objective as possible. This thread is not designed to disagree with opinions or discuss problems. Be clear and concise. The bottomline is I want to hear your OVERALL IMPRESSIONS.
I appreciate your participation! Thank you in advance.
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Hi Joseph.
I'm a first time Mac purchaser, after years of making music on PCs professionally with everyone people telling me that it cannot be done. I've been skeptical about moving to the Mac platform for this reason. I've even had some Mac die-hards laugh when I said that I've been producing professional music projects on PCs for years. Oddly, when I listened to their own productions, they sounded like C**P - which was a reflection on them and not their computers. So I've been fairly tongue-in-cheek about the whole idea of switching to the Mac platform. But I have many colleagues running Mac platform, and my switching ensures total compatibility on some large projects that I'm working on this year.
I actually had several other PC manufacturer's quotes printed out and was ready to buy. The Mac representative called me in follow up to my online price inquiry. I merely priced a unit and saved it in an online shopping cart in the online Apple Store. They called to follow up, which very much impressed me, and frankly, that sold the unit. And spend away I did - nearly $4,000. 2.16, 2 gigs ram, APP, software, keyboard, mouse, printer -- many extras of all sorts.
The whole customer service experience and out of box experience was flawless, and had me preaching Mac brand within hours - I couldn't be happier. Then came the online forums, and the horror stories of other MacBook owners and what they're dealing with...
I found that the MacBooks have stereotypical problems that are NOT being handled properly by Apple. Some new build problems ARE being addressed well - namely the inverter problems with the displays. But the CPU whine is another story entirely, as is the heat being generated by some units. It seems that some units are running MUCH hotter than others, and actually burning the skin of users. Users are actually getting out laser heat guns and running their own tests on the units out of frustration from Apple not responding, and posting the results here. Some units appear to be running as much as 20 deg. C higher than others under load. Remember, that's NOT Farenheit, but CENTIGRADE. Users are now tearing down their own machines and attempting corrections to fix some of the irratic heat problems on their own - even out of risk of voiding their warranties.
Users with these problems are being treated very poorly at the Apple Stores. They're told by Geniuses and managers that the obvious problems are 'within spec' and therefore a non-issue. Yet anyone that buys the book to do, say, audio recording, is quickly finding that the unit cannot be even used in the same room as a condensor microphone without employing a work-around for the CPU whine, because it's too loud. It's also too loud for a basic meeting room setting as well, users are posting.
These are VERY expensive units. They're not cheap by any means. And this sort of treatment, or ducking of the issues is totally unacceptable.
The way that Apple is avoiding direct response to these known issues is a VERY poor marketing strategy, and causing people to wonder if they're slipping in their historical customer-service. Seemingly Apple is very quietly dealing with users and avoiding any sort of recall or public statement.
My personal 'customer service' experience with Apple has been wonderful, and a breath of fresh air compared to some past experiences. My unit is quiet and though it runs VERY hot, mine's not out-of control as some others are expriencing. But watching others go through so many hassles - mostly consumer-advocacy related - expecially after they've spent a boat-load of a lot of money on a top-of-the-line notebook is disheartening, and frankly it's scaring me away from the brand very quickly. From a marketing standpoint, Apple needs to publically address these issues, and quick.
They're slipping on this one. The MacBook Pros have some issues - at least the 15" ones do, and they're avoiding talking about it. Many users are waiting to see if the new 17" units that are shipping this week are experiencing any similar problems. I'm one of those people.
One last marketing flaw that Apple has made is not announcing the 17" ahead of time to those purchasing the 15". I bought mine, and less than 14 business days later, the 17" comes out with more options, FireWire 800 that I desperately needed, and it ships for $50-$100 LESS than mine. Not a great way to make new owners of 15" models happy about their purchase.
Good luck on your thesis. Working on one myself.

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Keep the temperature down, usually by boosting the lowest default fan speed to help.
Also FBDIMMs on Amazon I have run at 59*C versus the 72*C+ of prior modules so adding less heat into the system.
There are kits you can modify the card's fan and add copper heat sink pipes. You may be fine and not have to buy a new card and continue with the 8800GT.
The X1900 was a huge problem with dust and therefore with heat and making the fans work harder - but never able to cool the interior, so the card had to be removed and dust inside the card's chamber 3-4X per year.
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Giving your MacBook some personality

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Hi King Arthur 2000,
Voice memos can be shared back to a computer in a number of different ways, described in this article -
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Hello, I have been using a Macbook Pro for nearly a year now. I would like to know what is the proper way to shut down your macbook?
I went to iStudy for some app instalment and the sales asisstant gave me a piece of (advice?) that whenever I want to shut down my macbook, i should just snap it close after I have quit all the running applications. I don't have to press the shut down button on the keyboard or choose shut down at the apple upper menu bar cause it may damage my RAM.
Yet, I knew this girl who just paid 2K just to fix her motherboard due to improper way of shutting down her Mac.
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Hi alswaki,
When you close all apps and then physically close it, you are putting the Mac into Sleep mode, not shutting it down. So, it depends on what you actually want to do. When you go to the Apple menu and select Shut Down, it literally shuts off the Mac, and you have to push the on/off button to start it back up. By closing the lid, you are putting it into Sleep mode so when you open the lid again, the Mac doesn't have to be powered back on to start up again.
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I bought 2 new memory card to 4 grams each - replace them in your MacBook Pro 13-inch but it will not turn on - If you are installing a card for 2 and one for 4 d all works - tell me what could be the problem

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Sorry Dave, have to chime in here as you're very wrong, and BermudaSeal has gone through a lot here and doesn't need to be fed false information, however good the intention.
When the Nvidia cards go wrong, what happens is exactly what BermudaSeal is experiencing, they get reported by the OS as an intel X3100 - which is the core card that forms part of the SR chipset, and coincidentally the graphics card in the MB. Basically the hardware is reporting no external graphics card (the nvidia card), and so assumes that the default one is present. It's a bit like PC motherboads that have built in GPU's, which can be bypased by adding in your own third party part. In this case , the third party part has failed, and unfortunately there is no built in GPU either - hence, black screen.
This is a classic case of a failed NVidia chip, and, depending on the country where Bermuda Seal lives, he/she should be able to get this sorted very swiftly by Apple, as it is a known defect with the hardware that can be proven - BermudaSeal should not have to foot the bill for this - keep trying and refer Apple to the multiple posts on this forum where folks out of warranty have got the issue fixed.
That plus the fact that Bermuda Seal clearly described his machine in the first post - haven't seen many 17" Macbooks around, have you?
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What cable do you need to watch shows from your macbook to your HDTV?

What cable do you need to watch shows on your macbook to your HDTV?

Depends on which MacBook Pro you have and what kind of TV you have.
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Ive heard constantly turning off and on is not good for a computer? lol

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