Hello & Need some input - MSI Lightning Extreme 580's

Hello All-
In a few days, well as soon as UPS delivers my new toys I will be a new member to the MSI GPU Family. I have 2 Lightning Extreme 580's on the way and just wanted some feedback/advice on the best way to test/connect the cards. I currently am running a 2x580 EVGA Vanilla Cards, so I do understand the whole SLI situation. My questions/help is below:
1. Since these are 2 new cards, is it advisable to install one at a time and test the card by itself first? Then install the 2nd card seperately and test it?
2. Obviously anyone buying this card is going to OC it. So it is also advisable to OC one card at a time to test each card and how the OC?
3. I noticed 2-3 areas where the SLI Cable can connect too. Does it matter which one you connect the SLI Ribbon too?
For any owners of the Extreme 580 and advice you would give to a new owner of the card?
Lastly, is there a site or a chart that shows what others were able to achieve with OC? I know for my EVGA's there were alot of spreedsheets showing various users and what speed, fan percentage, temps etc. Anything like that for the MSI Family?

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1. Since these are 2 new cards, is it advisable to install one at a time and test the card by itself first? Then install the 2nd card seperately and test it?
2. Obviously anyone buying this card is going to OC it. So it is also advisable to OC one card at a time to test each card and how the OC?
3. I noticed 2-3 areas where the SLI Cable can connect too. Does it matter which one you connect the SLI Ribbon too?
==> 1. It's not necessary to do this. This can only helps if you have issues and by testing in that ways it can be isolated which card is cause the eventual trouble. As there is no reason to suspect cards failure you can skip this.
==> 2. It's also not necessary to do this. Because when they are running in SLI, both combined speed will be equal to the lower card speed in the party.
So finding personally which one card how much can be overclocked will be useless as the total speed will be speed of the slowest card in the party.
ect: finding the card with better OC potencial will be useless, as you will run them in SLI and their combined speed will be down to the slowest card.
==> 3. Use the 1st one connector near to the VGA's outputs. Etc:

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Well, I installed my 2 new Lighting Extreme 580's and after some setup and testing, I went for the OC. However, I cannot get a stable OC at 950mhz and I have maxed out the voltage at 1.212. What is odd is that I was able to dial it down to 940mhz and dropped the Voltage to 1.155 and it is stable as can be. You would think that only 10 more mhz on the core and 1.2v I should be able to hit the 950mhz. But it is in an SLI configuration, so it could be that one of the 2 new cards does not OC as good as the other card.
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Well if anyone has any suggestions on what else I can do I am open to hearing your thoughts!

Quote from: Stateless on 19-September-11, 06:28:13
Is there a guide that explains a bit more on what the Aux Voltage tweak does? I have done alot of reading of professional sites overclocking the Lightnings, but no one mentions this Aux Voltage. Since my goal was to hit 950mhz in SLI, I still want to ensure I am doing everything I can, but have not used the Aux Voltage cause there is really no information I can find on it.
Thanks for any help, I do appreciate it.
I'd have to look around the net for a decent Hawk/Lightning OC guide, but basically what the PLL voltage controls is your "PCI Express Bus"
Don't take it as it says, but with the slightly increased voltage, you should be able to go into your PC bios and increase the frequency of your PCI express bus there as well (and the according voltage.)
This should get you (nothing guaranteed) something like 20 Mhz more out of your OC.
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Hi guys.
Take a look at this class:
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Thanks in advance.

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xxMaker xm = new xxMaker(xxMaker.BFLAGA1 | xxMaker.BFLAGA2 | xxMaker.BFLAGA3 | xxMaker.BFLAGA4,
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Need some inputs

hi,
I have created a web service wherein on submitting the employee name, i can get the balance in the account of the employee.
my service communicates with database which is an excel sheet. and the client is a servlet which invokes the service.
hi all,
I have created a web service wherein on submitting the employee name, i can get the balance in the account of the employee.
my service communicates with database which is an excel sheet. and the client is a servlet which invokes the service.
i have used Apache soap implementation for this.
I have tried this out of my interest and want to get some inputs as where does this application stand.
Also if anyone can tell me wht can be a real world financial application which i can try making as web service.
How can i make this available on the net.
any help would be highly appreciated.
Thanks and regards
neha

Generally webservices are more useful in solving business application in which multiple organizations are involved. Suppose if one organizations creates the services they perform as webservices the other organization can use those services. For example customer order servise, health insurance and all. Better you send a mail to mail id then I can help you more. [email protected]

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I'm confused. You say to ignore the 127° reading, but then state you are concerned and talk about a false reading. What reading and what exactly are you concerned with, the CPU temps? If your system were getting that hot(127°C), you'd shut down or blow something. I'm sure it's a false reading.
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I have a weird problem here. I have a MSI GTX 580 Lightning 1.5GB that will crash after a few days of the PC being up and running. Let me try to explain the situation.
Cold boot. games play fine. no problems.
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Quote from: compudaze on 05-November-11, 10:16:32
I honestly haven't tried reference 580 clocks. Only the stock clocks of the Lightning. But I don't see how that would affect anything. I can play for several hours without a crash. Then come back a few days later and it will crash within minutes. Cold boot, I can play for hours again.
I can still give it a try though.
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Quote from: Dr Stu on 26-November-05, 05:58:45
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ENDIF.
GET RUN TIME FIELD p2.
p2 = p2 - p1.
WRITE : / p2.

HI sharath,
I just checked and executed the code :
1. case 1 and 2 are fine.
2. but 3 is not what u desire.
<b>(in fact its not looping at all)</b>
3. the code in case 3 is :
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EXIT.
ENDIF.
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4. ***************
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Re-import the source table (it will be in the OWB registry with new column).
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You might do better using the review information from CNET.com or Macworld.com. I find examining both user reviews and editor choices from the former quite helpful when buying new equipment.
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Hello need some help on a few things with email sending and rec.

I have had my bb for a while but am only now really trying to utilize it for more. I am able to access my yahoo and gmail accounts on it and sync. However when I tried to import my address book from sbc or tried to add the blackberry email I have run into problems. It will let me send an email on the bb using the bb email address however I have no idea where it ends up on the desktop though. I can't send out anything on the outlook from either account. I am very frustrated to say the least. The only reason I am wanting to get the bb email set up as there are thousands of items on the outlook that tell you don't remove from the outbox. Hope that some of this makes sense. Thanks Carla
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Message Edited by CarlaVM on 09-12-2009 08:52 PM

Welcome to the forums CarlaVM
I am a little confused by your post. Could you please clarify a little better.
If I understand correctly, you have added yahoo and gmail accounts to the blackberry so that it receives email's from those accounts on to your phone.
What is "sbc" that you are trying to import your address book from? And expand on why you can't add the "blackberry email" (is this the email that says [email protected]?)
If you send email using your blackberry account ([email protected]) the sent email is only stored on your phone (and nowhere else). I would send emails using either your yahoo or gmail email account so that it will save a copy in your email accounts as a backup.
I don't understand what you mean by sending from outlook? What does this have to do with the phone?
Take a look at this section of the forums for tips and tricks: http://na.blackberry.com/eng/support/blackberry101/#tab_tab_curve
I am a little confused by your wording so if you can clarify further I'm sure I, or somebody else, will be able to help you further.
Cheers
Kijana
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