Helvetica neue in lion

I'm about to upgrade to Lion.
As a graphic designer I currently use Suitcase Fusion 3 to manage my fonts, and have always cleared out most system fonts and used suitcase to launch postscript versions of HelveticaNeue in place of Apple's system HelveticaNeue.
From what I read, this won't work in Lion - Address Book will refuse to launch.
Which means switching between postscript fonts and the dfont to use address book - which I use all the time while I work.
Has anyone encountered this? And is there a workaround? This sounds like a nightmare...

Helvetica Neue has been a system font since Leopard, I think, so you cannot change it just like that. The solution is to disable font protection, delete Helvetica Neue, install yours, then activate again font protection. For this purpose, do not use Font Book, just locate where it is, and delete fonts from the Finder. Helvetica Neue in Lion is a lot better than previous versions, first of all with a richer repertoire (fully covers European diacriticals for Latin-based languages + Cyrillic). Nevertheless, supposing you DO KNOW what you want, do like this:
- open Terminal
- type
atsutil fontprotection -off
press Return key
Make changes, then, in Terminal, run command in reverse order
atsutil fontprotection -on
Press Return
I repeat: I do hope you know what you do. Affecting system fonts may lead to fatal system collapse. Give a try to the new generation of Helvetica Neue included in Lion, maybe you will be satisfied with it as is.

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I'm no expert I just followed the advice in this link.
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It worked for me and now the font works in illustrator without converting to paths before creating pdfs.
Hope this helps...

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Yes, I'm aware there are always issues - to Adobe's credit, there weren't a whole lot this time around.
I think I was surprised that you acted, in a one-line (also flippant) response, that we were crazy for upgrading our OS "untested". There are lots of other apps that I use in my daily workflow that had already been upgraded to work with Lion, and I'm not about to partition my computer so I can run Adobe's products which, as I was under the impression (perhaps mistakenly), they had already internally tested to ensure compatibility.
Perhaps you're over-estimating my urgency. It's one variant of one font, the only issue I've found running CS4 on Lion. It's not a "big roadblock," and my OS + PS is completely functional otherwise. That said, it is a bug with only Adobe products so I felt it was appropriate for me to report here, in the Adobe forums. Coincidentally, I've also reported it at Photoshop.com's Photoshop support forum, where hopefully it may also be seen. Yes, it might take days or weeks... but that's the nature of a bug and fix.
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Hi
This is all documented elsewhere, particularly by the excellent Kurt Lang - but I'd like to chip in with my two penn'orth.
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I've come to this debate very very late, having stuck with my old system for so long, but I really hope that Apple has listened to the wailing and gnashing of teeth from users over the last couple of years since this issue first became apparent, and has addressed the matter in OS10.7.
If you stuck with it this far, thanks for listening.

Steven Carter wrote:
thanks for listening.
You are only talking to other users like yourself in these forums. Best repost in this channel to tell Apple what you want:
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