Helvetica Neue is bad idea

Dear MacOS team :
Helvetica Neue really really bad idea for OS 10.10.
Can you improve that such as change to another typeface or improve the kerning?

I felt the same way, you can always change the font. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/86864/can-i-change-the-font-systemwide- 10-8-3

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I am running cs4 suite in Mountain Lion and when I make PDF's, Helvetica Neue regular and bold both appear as squares. Any ideas on how to fix this??

I am running cs4 suite in Mountain Lion and when I make PDF's, Helvetica Neue regular and bold both appear as squares. Any ideas on how to fix this??

Firstly you have to be very careful as these fonts are system fonts and are critical to the operating system.
I'm no expert I just followed the advice in this link.
http://indesignsecrets.com/removing-nonessential-system-fonts-in-leopard.php
It worked for me and now the font works in illustrator without converting to paths before creating pdfs.
Hope this helps...

OS10.6.8 -- i need to remove Helvetica Neue Family from the system...any ideas?

I know deleting this is not the answer. Any other ideas.

Helvetica Neue should be OK but if you see any of these get rid of them:
Fonts known to cause problems:
Helvetica Fractions, Times Phonetic and Alien.
If you have them, delete them!
More useful information here:
http://www.creativetechs.com/iq/garbled_fonts_troubleshooting_guide.html

After installing Helvetica Neue font onto my PC (Win7) it now appears almost everywhere online in the interface of websites?

I installed Helvetica Neue recently onto my PC and ever since that font is being used on most websites I visit, and even in the google website's troubleshooting settings. Ive also noticed the font used for the number of likes on a likebox on my website has changed and is all being displayed in Helvetica. It is very annoying and I have no idea how to resolve this issue. Here are a few examples:

Unless a web page uses a “web font” that it supplies itself, web pages typically provide a list of fonts, in priority order, of fonts to be used to render text. Typically, this list of fonts represents “system fonts” of MacOS, Windows, iOS, and Android - fonts that can be counted on being installed. Helvetica Neue is a MacOS system font that is not typically found on Windows systems. And even if a user licenses recent versions of Helvetica Neue OpenType fonts and installs same on Windows systems, they are in the “Helvetica Neue Std” family which would not match “Helvetica Neue” which is native to MacOS. Thus, I suspect that the Helvetica Neue you have installed on Windows is an older font offering.
There are three issues here:
The first is that web pages provide a priority list for font usage. I suspect that the web pages you are seeing Helvetica Neue actually used on your system are requesting fonts in the order of Helvetica Neue and then Arial. The typical MacOS system would display the content with Helvetica Neue and the typical Windows system would display the content with Arial. Since you have Helvetica Neue on your system, you are getting rendering similar to what a MacOS system would have.
The second issue is that there is no way to force a web page to reverse the order of priority of the fonts it lists.
And finally, the third issue is that there is no way to hide a font selectively by application.
The only way you can avoid Helvetica Neue being used on web pages preferring Helvetica Neue to let's say Arial or any other font on its list for particular text rendering is to uninstall Helvetica Neue.
That having been said, other than perhaps personal type design preferences, are there any other issues with regards to use of Helvetica Neue for display of these web pages?
- Dov

I am having trouble getting access to fonts on hard drive. In particular Helvetica Neue Black. It seems that since HelveNeu.dfont is a system font Font Book does not give me the option to activate HelveticaNeuBlack.

We recently started using Font Book instead of Suitcase Fusion for our font management program. We are unable to activate our postscript type 1 font (Helvetica Neue Black) It seems since hel neu is a system dfont that Font Book thinks we already have it activated but HelvNeueBlack is not part of dfont. So even though I have it in my fonts folder the font is grayed out and am unable to activate. I might add that HelveBlack is also a problem. I've read the article by Kurt Lang on Font Management. I followed his directions on how to remove dfonts from system but caused more problems than it solved. I would appreciate a certified way to handle these particular fonts. Do I need to purchase the Open Type fonts to solve problem.

What I did to fix was remove Helv Fractions that cleared up the problem.
It's been quite a while since I've seen that one come up. When you mentioned that some of the type looked like jumbled fractions, that should have jogged my memory. Yes, Helvetica Fractions is long known to be a bad font. Delete it from the hard drive and never reinstall it.
The HelvNeuBlack and HelvBlack fonts you sent are indeed creating conflicts. Here are screen shots of their internal names. HelvBlack first, and HelvNeuBlack second.
In Helvetica Black, the menu name is just Helvetica, which leaves nowhere for the regular Helvetica font to display in your font lists. It also then creates a cross reference between the two fonts. It is also reporting two other different names to the OS for the same font. Helvetica Black, and Helvetica-Black. You can technically get away with doing that, but it's bad practice.
Helvetica Neue Black is the same type of bad naming. The menu name is just Helvetica Neue, which leaves nowhere for the real Helvetica Neue to go in your menu lists. Then they rather oddly threw in Helvetica 95 Black for the full name, as opposed to HelveticaNeue-Black for the other two spots.
Just some really sloppy work here by someone for what I would guess were Type 1 PostScript fonts converted to Mac legacy TrueType. If you don't have the software to fix the names, the only good suggestion is to throw these fonts out and purchase new ones from a vendor who builds fonts correctly. And while they're kind of pricey, that means either Adobe or Linotype.

Helvetica Neue quit working when I updated to CS5.5

I just purchased CS5.5 and updgraded from CS3. When I open InDesign 5.5 to get working, none of my Helvetica Neue font family works. It defaults to Times and every file I have ever created the text all defaults. Helvetica Neue is our corporate font that I use 99.9% of the day. I purchased Font Doctor, becuase I just assumed there were too many versions of the same font running around, did a system check and clean up a BUNCH of stuff. Still doesn't work. I reset the preferences for InDesign 5.5 and still no change. I pulled the font off one of our other computers and reinstalled it and still doesn't work. In FontBook it has warnings that there are multiply copies but disabling the copies doesn't help. Next step, I opened the old InDesign 3 and lo and behold, there are all my fonts and they WORK!
So now I have checked all my programs:
InDesign CS3: Helvetica Neue works
InDesign CS5.5: Doesn't work
Illustrator CS3: Works
Illustrator CS5.1: Works
Photoshop CS3: Works
Photoshop CS5.1: Doesn't work
I have no clue what is going on, hopefully someone has an idea and can help me.
Think I just might uninstall 5.5 and try it again.
I'm freaking out and can't do my job.
Thanks
-T
My computer is a Mac 10.6.8.

It may have been installed in InDesign's program font folder.
You hopefully kept a prvious version of InDesign installed.
Open CS4, type some Helv Neue, select
Type > Find Font
From that dialog, highlight Helv N, choose More Info
It will show the path to where the font is installed.
Install to the OS Fonts folder or ID CS5.5's program fonts folder

Helvetica Neue Displays Oddly in Acrobat 9 Pro

I just finished creating a quick help document in Pages '09. I used Helvetica Neue for the entire document. Everything in the Pages document looks fine. Then I exported it as a PDF from Pages (I believe the format is Acrobat 4). When I brought up the export to view in Acrobat 9 Pro, the headers (HN Bold, 10pt) are all crooked along the tops of the letters, almost as if each letter were a slightly different point size. I notice it most with letters with curves (bowls) like "a, e, g," but not letters like "E, l, i, n."
I thought perhaps there was some problem with the PDF version, so instead of exporting it, I simply printed (I was trying to avoid that because I didn't want to lose my hyperlinks). I had the same problem.
On a lark, I sent it to my work computer, which has Acrobat 8 Pro for Windows. After getting the error about the file being created in a newer format, the file opened up and looks perfectly fine.
Any ideas?
My sincere thanks for any suggestions!
Keith

Reader and Acrobat use their own font rendering engine, so things can look different in these compared to Preview. I'm guessing your document will print (to paper) without any problems from any of these, but sometimes the Mac versions of Reader and Acrobat can look sort of ugly. (FWIW, I don't like the way they render regular Helvetica either.)
On the other hand, Preview has lots of problems with transparencies and gradients, so it goes both ways.

Key Command for "Bold" / Helvetica Neue is "Bold Cndenced"...

As the title reads...with Helvetica Neue the command "shift+command+b" is set to bold in my preferences....but with this fond it changes it to condensed bold...as I've read this might be implanted into the font itself......anyone have some ideas how I can set a key command to bold this font?? I have tons of bolding to do .... =(
thanks

@Emperor1212 – I bought an additional keyboard with a numeric keypad because of this and because of the problem that I cannot work the enter key to start a script from the JavaScript console in Acrobat Pro (and there is no button for executing code from that console!) without the numeric keypad.
Hm, what else…
One could write a script for changing formatting of a selected text to a specific character style or a specific formatting.
That script could be assigned to a keyboard shortcut.
Uwe

After 12.1 Update - Unable to load font "^0" "Helvetica Neue" error

I've just updated to After Effects CC 12.1, and I'm now getting the following error when launching:
After Effects warning: Unable to load font "^0" "Helvetica Neue"
After pressing OK, I get another error:
Cannot load font required for the After Effects interface. Please replace the font or reinstall After Effects.
And then a final error:
After Effects can't continue: unexpected failure during application startup
I'm on Mac OS 10.9, and this was working just fine with the 12.0.1 patch. I've double-checked that Helvetica Neue is installed and all other CC apps work just fine. Any ideas?

Hello
Here's what worked for me
In font explorer I had several instances of Helevetica Neue fonts (Same font name but not same file name).
I deleted these instances in Font explorer.
I went to fontbook and restore defaults fonts.
After effects opened perfectly.
but now as KLTV8
i get this message when I quit the application
( 76 :: 0 )
Unable to allocate 0.003 MB of memory. Either decrease the memory requirements for the rendering of this frame, or install more RAM. (12803 / Text Engine Data). For more information, see www.adobe.com/go/learn_ae_mem
I didn't even open any projects.
Buggy update !

'09: PostScript version of Helvetica Neue won't work

I realize this is not a new problem, but with version '09, the problem has magnified. At least with previous versions, having a PostScript version of Helvetica Neue turned on +instead of+ the True Type (or dfont) allowed iPhoto to function (for the most part). But now, the program will not function at all unless the True Type version is activated (and you can't have both types turned on at the same time).
As a graphic designer, I must have the PostScript version of Helvetica Neue activated. It's going to a bit of a pain to toggle the different versions on and off just to use iPhoto '09.
If anyone has any good ideas, I'd love to hear them.

iPhoto menu -> Provide iPhoto Feedback
Regards
TD

Unable to load font"^0" "Helvetica Neue" After Effects CC

After updating After Effects CC, the warning appears: Unable to load font"^0" "Helvetica Neue"
HelveticaNeue.dfont is available in my HD/System/Library/Fonts
I work with:
Before the CC update everything worked fine.
Please help me.

See this thread and ask further questions there:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1326590

Is it a bad idea to use Time Capsule to access my iTunes music?

I'm thinking about putting all of my music on my time capsule and making iTunes access it through that.
Is this a bad idea for any reason? I'm thinking that there could be a few seconds of delay when playing a song or something, which I don't really mind.
The other thing I thought is that this could be bad because if my Time Capsule fails, then I lose my music, whereas if I store my iTunes music folder on my computer, it will be backed up by Time Machine, and therefore be in 2 safe locations instead of 1.
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InDesign CS4 - Helvetica Neue and Mountain Lion

Hi there,
Can anyone please help? I recently updated from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion. Since I made this transition I have had a problem with exporting HELVETICA NEUE to a PDF from CS4. This used to work perfectly fine on Snow Leopard from CS4 so I am assuming it is something to do with Mountain Lion. When I export I just get these little squares instead of the letters. I've got the latest Acrobat Pro which I'm viewing it in. I also sent the PDF to a PC and it looked exactly the same. I have an imac.
The problem is I have quite a lot of templates I use which are in this font so it is a nightmare for me to have to change the font in so many files.
This is how it shows in Finder - Library, fonts:
HelveticaNeue.dfont
Datafork TrueType font
I can copy it but I can't paste it in to the InDesign font folder. To be honest I'm not sure thats the right thing to do anyway, just troubleshooting.
I have found many other people out there on the internet with the same problem but no answers! There must be someone out there with the expertise and brains to help! Someone who could rise to the challenge!
Thanks guys.

I have the same question: When I export a document with CS4 and Helvetica Neue, the text is just squares.
I use CS4 but with Yosemite. I would REALLY appreciate an correct answer on this.
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Problem exporting a PDF with Helvetica Neue

I am using InDesign CS6 on Mac OSX 10.8.4. I have a PDF with Helvetica Neue in it. When I export this file to a PDF my client claims that the text is jumbled and appears to be widely spaced/leaded. I've read it's an issue with Helvetica Neue as a system font, and found the following solution, but wondered if there was a simpler answer that does not involve messing with my system fonts.
http://indesignsecrets.com/removing-nonessential-system-fonts-in-leopard.php

I am sorry this is the simplest way if you need to use exactly that font.

PDF created with InDesign CS6, Helvetica Neue font, causes lower-case "r's" to be bold

The pdf was created from InDesign CS6 using Windows 7. I cannot recreate the problem on my machine, but it is happening on a coworker's machine. The only character affected is the lower-case r. It appears bold when viewing the pdf of his machine. I am also running Windows 7 and it looks fine to me. My boss is using a Mac and it also looks fine to her. Does anyone know what might be causing this problem?

Hmm...until it's isolated to the 'r' it surely sounds like the typical effect often caused by the "Enhance Thin Lines" preference setting in Acrobat/Reader/browser-x-plugin, which most commonly affects l's and i's.
It's also true that various servings of Helvetica Neue are at the center of many such tales of woe.
I'd recommend some simple testing on the co-worker's computer with PDF's produced under the same conditions using different fonts; perhaps some varied weights of the same Helvetica Neue.

Helvetica Neue is bad idea

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