Hierarchical keywords in iPhoto

I really appreciate the ability to open my Aperture library in iPhoto. I moved from iPhoto to Aperture a couple of years ago and upgraded all my keywords to hierarchical ones. Now when I open my library in iPhoto though, none of my keywords are visible other than top level ones. Is this a known restriction? If so, is there a plan to add the feature to iPhoto.
Cheers
Dave

iPhoto doesn't support hierardhical keywords. Only Aperture does. We don't know what Apple's plans are for updates to iPhoto as we're just users like yourself but you can put in a feature request to Apple via http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html.

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Same here:
Do you also have hierarchical keyword lists? I see only a few of my Aperture keywords in iPhoto, and "Manage my keywords" only shows the top level keywords.
Funnily, all the smart albums based on Aperture keywords are there and contain the correct images.
To be able to use the same keywords in iPhoto and Aperture you seem to be restricted to the top level keywords in the hierarchical keywords list right now.
Write feedback to Apple and request this to be changed.
Some of the restrictions when opening the Aperture Library in iPhoto are explained here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5260
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Hello Everyone!
I have just moved from Windwos PSE8 with Organizer to PSE8 on Mac with Adobe Bridge. I am trying find my way in the Bridge application. Have searched and watched many videos on it over the internet but I still have one thing that is driving me nuts.
I realized that I could inport and understand my hierarchical keyword structure and have them showed up in the keywords panel (or whatever it is called) in an hierarchical way).
But when I try to use filter and filter my photos based on the keywords I can only see the deppest level word. For example, if I hava a Category of WildLife/Animal/Cat I can only see the keyword "cat". I may have another keyword like Toys/Fabric/Cat and in this case if I only specify the "cat" keywork I will end up with photos from both real and toy cats....
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iPhoto doesn't support hierardhical keywords. Only Aperture does. We don't know what Apple's plans are for updates to iPhoto as we're just users like yourself but you can put in a feature request to Apple via http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html.

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Part of my keywording structure looks like this:
Men
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     etc.
Women
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I know that true hierarchical keywords don't exist in Aperture. But when I assign keywords using the Keyword Controls or dragging from the HUD, the parent (men or women) is "attached" so you can search for the one you want.
I want to be able to assign the proper keywords using Batch Change or in a metadata preset during import. But I have yet to find a way to do this. Is there some hidden syntax for this? Or is it one of those impossible things in Aperture's current (and rather limited) keyword handling?

You're welcome.
A second copy of the iPhoto library on a second drive is always good. I once lost my backup drive and the system drive at the same time, because a lightning caused a power surge that killed both my macs system drive and the connected backup drive. I was lucky to have a bootable clone of the system drive as a second backup.
I like this version of the quote you cited:
A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.

As a new Macbook Pro user I was saddened to find that the feature of using keywords in iPhoto '11 does not allow showing same under each photo. I understand this was available in earlier versions. Any comments?

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Against TOU which you "agreed" to in order to post in these user to user forums. If you want to "suggest" something to Apple, do so in the Product Feedback area.

Should I Avoid LR4 and Get LR3 Because of My Huge Hierarchical Keyword List?

I abandoned LR2 several years ago because it crashed from my hierarchical list of 12,000 keywords. (Botanical and common names and other terms.) I have been using CS5/Camera Raw/Bridge to manage and edit my images. The hierarchical list is necessary for my stock photo business.
I will soon be needing to compare and edit images for a book publication and gallery show and I am thinking I may need to return to LR so I can work more effciently. I do not care about not exporting some keywords or synonyms etc. I think (right now anyway) that it is fine that all keywords associated with the images get exported for my stock submissions. I ususally check off only the sub-keywords or sub-sub-sub keywords.
Here are my questions:
1) Is LR 3 able to handle my huge list of hierarchical keywords which is now larger than 12,000 words?
2) Should I upgrade to LR3 and not to LR4 to avoid the keyword mess I have been reading about but don't understand very well?
3) Is it possible to even upgrade to LR3 now that LR4 is released?
3) Would LR4 handle my keywords better or worse than LR2? Than LR3?
4) Is there a work efficiency reason to upgrade to CS6 without using any version of LR and continue using Bridge and Camera Raw as I have been?
5) Is there anything else I have not thought to ask? I am somewhat technically challenged and dread learning new software, having been burned in the past with ExpressionsMedia disaster and LR2 which crashed etc.
Thanks for any and all input from the forum!

I try to answer your questions. I also have a large list of hierarchical keywords (funny ... also botanical names) but not as much as you have.
1) I think that Lr3 is able to handle your list of keywords. I have not heard from anybody that there is a limit to the number of keywords that Lr is able to handle.
2) There seem to be some keyword issues in Lr4. My keywords were perfectly fine in Lr3 but after upgrading to Lr4 some of my keywords were not populated, meaning that the keywords themselves were listed in the keyword list but the image count showed 0. I still have my Lr3 catalog so was able to check (with Lr3) that, indeed, in Lr3 all the keywords in question were populated with the correct number of images. Fortunately there were not too many of these not-populated keywords, so I corrected the issue manually.
Since correct keywords are mandatory for your stock business, you are right in hesitating to upgrade to Lr4. In my opinion, the improvements that Lr4 offers over Lr3 are mainly in areas that are - probably - not so important to a stock business: improvements in the Develop Module and new Process Version, the Book Module, the map Module. On the other hand I would think that image management is paramount for you and in this area Lr4 is not much different than Lr3.
3) You will not be able to get an upgrade to Lr3 from Adobe now that Lr4 has been released. So you had to find a 3rd party vendor (B&H? Amazon?) who still sells Lr3.
4) Apart from the issue described above, I don't see any difference in keyword handling between Lr3 and Lr4. Lr2 is too far back for me - I don't remember.
5) My suggestion for you would be: You have to upgrade at some point. The longer you wait, the more difficult the transition will be because the differences of future versions to Lr2 will become greater. Since at the moment version 4.1 is in the works (there have been two RCs (Release candidates) of version 4.1 already), maybe it would be wise to wait until the final 4.1 version is out. maybe the keyword issues have been fixed.
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Any chance Lightroom could export/write Hierarchical Keywords that are compatible with Vista?
http://blogs.msdn.com/pix/archive/2007/02/01/hierarchical-tags-and-xmp.aspx
I expored a photo with hierarchical keywords in Lightroom and they did not appear in Windows Photo Gallery.
Looking at the jpg in notepad it appears that the parent/child relationship is not written in the XMP block. The keywords are instead flattened.

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Michael

Guys, I appreciate your comments.
I got confused by the way iPhoto displays the small folder and album icons. They both looked the same to me. Well, the folders do behave like folders so I am OK now.
Maybe Apple can use a different colour for albums and folders.
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Michael

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Rob,
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With iPhoto for iOS, you have everything you need to view, edit, and share your photos on your iPad, iPhone, or iPod touch (with iOS 7).
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Some photos not displaying keywords in iPhoto

For some reason some of my images don't display the keywords assigned to them in iPhoto 08. As a new Mac user I am in the process of migrating my substantial image gallery from my Windows machine. Over the last few years I have spent considerable time tagging my photos in Lightroom and Expressions Media. These keywords are recognized by all other applications and also when getting the file's properties from the Finder.
The strange part is that within a particular batch of pictures (all of which had the keywords applied in the same way...I think) some images have keywords in iPhoto, but some don't.
Your help would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
Juan Sosa

Hi Terence,
On the 3rd attempt and 1.5 days, iPhoto Library Manager rebuilt the library (first time crashed after a few minutes, second time 2/3rds of the way through).
When the process finished, there was a message from iPhoto Library Manager saying it couldn't copy an image over and that there were some errors (I saved the log file if that helps).
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Is there any additional steps that I can take? Or given that I made a copy of the Masters folder elsewhere, should I perhaps just try importing these? I assume that iPhoto will use the existing folder structure to mark events, etc... I can live without the album info (I hadn't tagged photos or anything else).
Thanks.

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In iTunes, I have learned that you can "batch-change" some data by typing Apple+I to a number of (in this case) songs. Is there a way to do this in iPhoto? I tried Apple+I but it didn't work. For example, if I want to go through my album and select each sunset photo, and then at the end of the selection, add the comment "sunset" to each in a batch click.

Check out the Batch Change command in the Photos menu. You can select photos and change their title, date, or comments. If you like keyboard strokes then type Shift Command B.
If you want to keyword a group of photos (with a sunset keyword), first add sunset as a keyword in iPhoto's Preferences. Open the keyword pane (little key icon in the lower left corner) select the photos you want, and drag from any of the selected thumbnails to the word sunset in the keyword pane. The word will be applied to all selected photos at once.
Regards.

Supplemental Categories to Hierarchical Keywords

Hey All,
I'm a convert first from iMatch, then to Media Pro and finally LightRoom. My files have got dot limited supplementalcategories fields in them, which Media Pro recognized okay and created hierarchical keywords, but LightRoom doesn't.
Is there a way to:
1) Get LightRoom to create the hierarchical keywords? I've parsed out a list of the keywords using exiftool, but trying to do an import in Lightroom has thus far been an exercise in fruition.
2) Assign the keywords as defined in the supplementalcategories?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
thanks
Chris

Yes,
I know LR supports hierarchical keywords.
All these files have dot delimited IPTC Supplemental Categories. LR sees them.
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.003.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.004.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.005.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.006.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.007.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.008.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.009.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.010.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.011.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.012.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.013.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.014.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.015.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.016.jpg
http://www.dubea.com/fotos/lr/20040315-Rain Gutter Regatta.017.jpg
The challenge is translating those supplemental categories into LR hierarchical keywords without reclassifying >10k images....
Any assistance is provided.
Another, related topic.
I'm refreshing IPTC data from my files intl LR and it's stuck near the end. I suspect one of the files has is corrupt. How do I figure out which file it's stuck on?
Thanks
Chris

Searching for hierarchical keywords

Hi,
I'm a newcomer to Aperture, and I have trouble using the hierarchical keywords.
For example, if I create the keywords Sport->Soccer and Sport->Hockey, and I assign the keywords Soccer and Hockey to some photos, how can I search for the photos carrying the parent keyword 'Sport', which is, according to Aperture documentation, automatically associated with the children keywords ? The keyword 'Sport' doesn't appear in the list of selectable keywords in the Keyword HUD, only the keywords 'Soccer' and 'Hockey' can be selected.
Can anybody help me ?
Thanks in advance.
Thierry (Brussels).

This is a very frequently requested feature, so I would not be surprised if we see it in the next version.
Meantime, either use the text search, or use a Keyword Keeper:
http://www.bagelturf.com/aparticles/metadata/keyhigh/index.html
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Input hierarchical keywords?

An example of hierarchical keywords:
Transport / Trains / Diesel
Transport / Trains / Electric
Now when I input from a card I can select Die and Diesel will come up and it will assign all the Transport / Trains / Diesel hierarchical keywords to the selected input images.
But, what if I come back from a shoot of Steam trains. How do I enter:
Transport / Trains / Steam ?
Typing Steam puts a new keyword at the top level.
Thanks Peter

Bridgeworker,
You can enter hierarchical keywords into that import field. The form is Electric>Trains>Transport, which is the reverse of what you expect. In other words, the hierarchy shown when imported will be Transport>Trains>Electric
Also, by adding a comma separator you can apply multiple hierarchical keywords during import. For example, Electric>Trains>Transport, Victoria Station>London>United Kingdom>Places will be shown as:
Transport>Trains>Electric
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