Hooking up 2 PCIE 6800's

Hooking up 2 PCIE 6800's with SLI is just plain silly and only for those with wall to wall bank notes and issues best not talked about in decent company, but I want it, I really do.
found on another forum love it
seriously tho anyone found any pcie sli 6800ultras for sale ? gt`s around but no ultras yet or are there ?

lo cra_arc
well i've been sat without a mainboard for the past month - sold my previous AGP based mainboard (k8N2) and Gainward gfx's in the hope of SLI.........
Dont do it man!!! - invest the money elsewhere - check out the benchmarks for SLI - when u pay over 500 squid for a gfx setup u want it to pee on everything right? - nope:
dual 6600GT's cant beat a single 6800GT
power drain on 6800ultras is too much :
saying that SLI only works good in some games - the main limitation for an SLI setup is the CPU - they can do the work - but the CPU's are currently powerful enough to supply it all - as you'll see with every benchmark review of SLI says - the cpu's are the bottleneck - my fx-53 makes me feel ill :
so i made the decision to buy an SLI board now (preordered) but NOT to buy two graphics cards - even though the MSI 6800GT OEM I got was a snip at £250 - check out the prices now :scan.co.uk saying that they are still available at the mo.
I dont know the deal with these cards (still waiting on my mainbaord )- they are nearly £50 cheaper than the fully badged NX6800GT's MSI sell in other stores - but scan recon they are SLI compatible - which i'm not too sure about - cus if you read the MSI 6800GT manual it says that SLI is only available with PCB ver 210 - Mine reads Ver 120!!! hmmmmmm
anyways -i opted out of SLI (for now)- can u imagine the extra heat too
Watercooling gear instead - Dangerden here I come - should be here just after xmas :> - god knows about the mainboard
- my personal view so dont go gettin vex peeps :>

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Quote from: Scooter71 on 14-January-09, 07:50:13
But system does power up, figured if power supply went out it either works or it doesn't
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Quote from: Scooter71 on 14-January-09, 06:19:50
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Doug Richardson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a problem reading from a TC ( K or J ) hooked to my PCI-MIO-16XE-50.
> I have the TC connected to channel 15 in single ended mode. The dip switches
> are set with the on board TC set to single ended channel 0.
>
> If I read the Temperature with the TC laying on my benchtop then it reads
> correct. As soon as I connect it to my equipment which is grounded stainless
> steel I get huge errors. The signal seems to pickup lots of negative noise
> ( -200C )
>
> I have tried to put a 4.7K ohm resistor and a small cap on the signal but no
> luck.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks a bunch
>
> If replying to my email remove nospam from the name

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