Hot to create color profile if I can't disable color management?

I have Canon PIXMA iP4600 printer. I wanted to create custom color profile for Canon Photo Paper Plus Glossy paper, but I can't disable color management in the Print dialog. There are two options: SolorSync (and I have to pick some color profile I'd like to use), or Canon Color Matching. There is no way to disable color management.
I tried to create custom profile by choosing Canon Color Matching, but it turned out to be way worse than the original Canon profiles. Jeans in printouts are not denim blue but ultramarine! I suspect this is because profile target was printed with some color profile enabled.
I just thought maybe there are some "fake" printer profiles out there? Profiles which don't translate anything and what goes in, comes out 1:1? This way I could work-around this problem.
My problem is that in printouts I need little bit more more saturated greens and 4-7% less red component.

Hello Guntis,
As you have seen with the Canon iP driver, there is no function to disable color management, you either select ColorSync or Canon Color Matching.
When you select ColorSync, your output will use the default profiles assigned to the paper stocks for the Canon driver. If you wanted to see the Lab plot for that particular stock, open the ColorSync application and select the Profiles pane. If you then expand the Other entry you will see all the profiles for the default paper stocks for your iP4600 and their respective color gamuts.
If you then wanted to check which paper stock matched the code names, such as SP, MP and PR, you could select to print from an application and open the Color Matching menu. If you then set the option to ColorSync and leave the Profile set to Automatic, then open the Quality & Media menu and select Photo Paper Plus Glossy and then switch the menu back to Color Matching, you will notice that there will be writing under the Profile menu, stating the profile used - in this case SP2.
If these default values are not delivering the color output you want, then I suggest you set the Color Matching menu to Canon Color Matching and then use the Color Options menu to tweak the Magenta and Cyan values to boost the greens and reduce the reds.
Note that you should also set your application to let the printer manage the color.
Pahu

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So far, so good. This leaves the nittygritty of specific ICC profiling packages and specific ICC-enabled applications. As for Aperture, do not apply a gamma correction to your colourant patch chart, or to colour managed printing.
As for Adobe applications, which you say you will be comparing with, you should probably be aware that Adobe InDesign CS3 has problems. When targetting an RGB printing device, the prints are not correctly colour managed, but basically bypass colour management.
There's been a discussion on the Apple ColorSync Users List and on Adobe's fora, see the two threads below.
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References:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b52c9b/0
http://lists.apple.com/archives/colorsync-users/2007/Nov/msg00143.html

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