Hotmail and gmail

I can't get either to download to mail. When I start mail, it wants me to set up an account. I can't enter preferences at all. I don't know why the POP part to gmail doesn't work - I have enabled POP on gmail and followed directions on the apple mail side, but it doesn't work. At SMTP, it's a disaster, as there is no panel to change ports, which I need to do.
For hotmail, I have installed the http plug-in, and enabled rosetta in hopes it would work, but I have no http option when I begin the process of entering my accounts into the setup page, only POP, IMAP, and exchange.
What am I doing wrong?

Mail's Setup "Assistant" is a real pain, as there is no way to avoid it when setting up Mail for the first time. It's even worse considering that Mac OS X requires you to get access to Mail's preferences in order to set another mail client as the default, but you cannot do that without setting up an account in Mail first -- total nonsense.
Just in case, let me tell you that the Mac OS X 10.4.7 Update introduced connection issues as a result of (according to the documentation) "Mail now supports connecting to mail servers through a SOCKS proxy". If that's the problem, you must go to System Preferences > Network and disable the SOCKS Proxy in the network configuration used to connect to the Internet, if it's enabled.
Also, I assume you're trying to set up your Gmail account as described here:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13275
Finally, note that you can just let the Setup "Assistant" to time-out. It takes a considerable amount of time, but you can just let it show its stupidity while you do something else.

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