How About Some Standard Standards For Keyword Hierarchy?

After reading Wolf Eilers post in the "Respect Keyword Hierarchy when importing" thread, I tried his example and exported a RAW file with the "Outdoor>Landscape" example he gave and then re-imported the jpeg. It came back in with Landscape as the parent of Outdoor, that is backwards from what I intended. Go figure.
If LR respects ">" as indicating a parent-child relationship between keywords it is fine with me. However, Microsoft decided to use "/" because there is apparently no XMP standard for keyword hierarchies. Wouldn't it be nice if Adobe, Microsoft, and Apple too got together and set a defacto standard for keyword hierarchies. As it is now, I can create a keyword "Outdoor/Landscape" in LR and have it appear in Vista Photo Gallery with Landscape as a child of Outdoor. However, if re-imported into LR it comes in as "Outdoor/Landscape". Can't we just all get along?

Absolutely no. A completely pointless exercise. As there can be no standard for such a thing. As people have so many, very different ways of filing things. It like suggesting that we all use the same folder tree for filing on our computers. Our relationship to keywords and their meaning will change.
Take Brad Pitt, would you put him under Actor, celebrity or relative. His mum would file him under Son/Family.
What about places. I use UK, Europe, Asia, Africa...as top level domains. Now someone who lives in Japan would have Japan as home and the UK as Europe/UK. Some people may like to file musical acts by city of origin, others by genre, neither is wrong and both are correct for the right person. Being able to do both would be even better.
You just design a heirachy that suits yourself. Adobe just has to find a way of respecting that and allowing you to transfer that heirarchy intact between apps.
Someone else posted this example of heirachy. Which will work well for some, but not for others. Plus, in context of what you ask, remember everyone's family structure is different so how can you possibly have a 'standard' heirachy.
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=98612897&size=o
In your example above, I wouldn't use Outdoor and Landscape as Landscape. As for my filing I simply do not have an inside and outside category. I probably wouldn't even have a landscape category either, I would file them under location in a heirachical tree like UK/Wales/West Glamorgan/Gower/Rhosilli/Headland. I may add Landscape as a key word, but would not use it as a category as the heirachy tree above makes more sense to me as I can remember where things are.
I also file everthing by date in my OS as I can remember when I took things reasonably well and that ensures I have a coherent filing system onto which I can apply a database.

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    Will Creative please save us some time and reveal specifications for the J header? I already know what most of the pins do.Message Edited by twistedemotions on 09-20-2005 2:50 PM

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    Absolutely love how the negative post gets ignored by Verizon and only gets replies from customers or others on the site. Well ... I will not just lay down ... Where my experience has probably made it to where I will not go to Verizon ... I would hope they would correct their mistake so that others do not go through this. I know I am not the only one that has had this happen ... and not the first to complain ... I will not stop until the issue is addressed appropriately. I have attempted to call again ... was promised a call back again ... still nothing ... Should be used to this by now. I have only had one person from Verizon reach out to me - not even sure it was on behalf of Verizon cause they were absolutely appalled by what happened. However, they only offered to re-run credit ... No I am not approving my credit to be run again - this needs to be handled off of what has already happened! Where is that EXCELLENT customer service that I was told about in my first chat ... I still have not received it! ... There is a reason I went with chat ... to have what I was told in writing cause I know how sales people can be so I wanted what I was told in writing. That way if something went wrong I had the proof of what I was told instead of it being in a he said/she said situation. 

    whatwillbwillb wrote:
    Absolutely love how the negative post gets ignored by Verizon and only gets replies from customers or others on the site.
    This is a customer-to-customer site. Not a customer-to-Verizon-Rep site.
    The Verizon workers on here are moderators and they do just that - moderate the posts that need it. Personal information, cursing, inappropriate things, etc. That's what they do.
    When you post on this site, you are posting to Verizon customers, not workers.

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    steping back and merge did not helg me understand whats going on
    hang
    left field
    crash

    I haven't done much of any 3D work recently, but when I did do so a year or two ago I found Photoshop CS6 pretty touchy at the time.  It's wise to save often.  But beyond that, there's a lot to get used to.  It works its way, and you have to bend to it.
    For the 3D stuff I did, once I initially developed my scenes - which took some doing as you are finding - I could manipulate things pretty easily.  In short, kind of tough to set up initially, with things getting in odd positions this way and that unexpectedly, but once I learned a few things that work and a few things not to do, it started to behave much better.  Keep at it for a while, it gets easier.
    Also, the 3D modeling aspects of Photoshop seem VERY dependent on the quality of your display driver.
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    http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/temp/3D_Christmas_Balls.zip
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