How can Time Machine restore older Mac Pro's - But not Disk Utility?

Hey,
So I had posted a discussion earlier last week asking about older MacPro's (2006 - 2008) versions that do not seem to run snow leopard if you just try to install with the MAC OS X 10.6.2 disc - I was trying to use my new Snow Leopard image that i have created for the new school year, and I tried to image a 2006 MacPro model and a 2008 MacPro model, etc... This would not work, it would let me start the imaging process and then it would give me an error that looked like this "ev/disk02o does not have enough space" And i just figured that was the computer code way of telling me that the image i had created was not readable by the computer or the disk utility, but this must be something that was written into the programing of Disk Utility or Snow Leopard because i found a loop hole - I was able to "restore" the backup of the new image that i made using Time Machine on the 2008 MacPro and even the 2006 MacPro - which both have earlier versions of the Intel chip. The restored image works fine, all programs work the same as a 2009 MacPro that i imaged the same image onto using disk utility and i have found no problems yet using any part of the system. MY QUESTION: I'm wondering how i was able to do this and if anyone has had a similar experience trying to get images accross a bunch of different models of MacPro's - Is Time Machine a "better" way to restore the disk image? Did Apple do this on purpose, so that you cant image newer images onto older machines? Very confused as to why it makes you use Time Machine...
Thanks again,
Kyle R.

You are reading things into that error message that are simply not there.
Take the error message at face value.
When it calculates all the "stuff" it has to get onto your disk to do the installation, it does not fit. (including the .dmg, the Virtual Disk created to mount the dmg, and all the temporay files that are added before the new version takes over and discards the old stuff) all that stuff in total does not fit.)
Sure the final image fits, and sure you can restore that final image using other methods: Time machine works, and I'll bet Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper work as well.
Using the method you were using, the sum of all the temp files and all the program files do not fit. It is NOT a conspiracy.

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