How do I find noise margin etc?

Over the past few months my download speed has dropped from around 7M to around 3. Work has been going on since the start of the year to bring FTTC to the area and I assumed that this was to blame. But that work has now finished, although I personally am unable to get upgraded. I think it may now be a case of the Mods resetting my profile, but I can't seen to find the noise margin etc from my hub stats. I use HH4. Can somebody please help me with this?
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Sorry John & IMJolly, I'm not very good at this with my tablet, and have been unable to upload the results I have found, so I will attempt to type them in. Here goes.
Line stats
14.59.00, 24 Jun. (57.460000) DSL noise margin:5.90dB upstream 8.30dB downstream.
14.58.59, 24 Jun. (56.550000) DSL line rate 1084Kbps upstream 3072Kbps downstream
With regards the ADSL checker
Featured Products. Downstream. Upstream Range. Availability
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 6. -- 4 to 8. Available
WBC ADSL2+Annex M. Up to 6. Up to1. 4 to 8. Available
ADSL MAX. Up to 5. -- 3.5 to 7.5. Available
WBC fixed rate. 2. -- -- Available
Fixed rate. 2. -- -- Available
Hope this is usable for you

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Downstream 2,268 Kbps
Upstream 440 Kbps
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Error Seconds (Local) 2
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Noise margin (Down/Up) 31.8 dB / 14.4 dB
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D.      From the forum it seems to take several days for speed adjustments to be effected or to take effect – is this a technical issue or a policy issue?
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Good Morning - it is now 6 days since this posting. During this time there have been 2 resets of the adsl line
Fri, 2011-01-14 03:28:43 - LCP down.
Fri, 2011-01-14 03:28:54 - Initialize LCP.
Fri, 2011-01-14 03:28:54 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Fri, 2011-01-14 03:28:54 - CHAP authentication success
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Sun, 2011-01-16 16:37:26 - LCP down.
Sun, 2011-01-16 16:37:36 - Initialize LCP.
Sun, 2011-01-16 16:37:36 - LCP is allowed to come up.
Sun, 2011-01-16 16:37:36 - CHAP authentication success
These were not initiated by me - and since noise margins and sync speeds changed as a consequence can I assume that this is evidence of the adaptive process working?
Secondly, as you can see, the noise ratio has vastly improved as have the upstream and downstream sync speeds
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      ADSL Link          Downstream          Upstream
      Connection Speed           11199 kbps           1091 kbps
      Line Attenuation           27.0 db           9.9 db
      Noise Margin           14.8 db           9.2 db
BUT from the BT speedtester, as shown below I seem to be stuck in a banded IP profile of 1750/1091 which is very different from the downstream sync speeds of 11199 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
Can BT staff take action to alter this? If they can how do I contact them?
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Robert
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Download Speed    1288 Kbps
0 Kbps   2000 Kbps
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Additional Information:
Your DSL Connection Rate :11199 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 1091 Kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP Profile for your line is - 1750 Kbps
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2. Upstream Test: -provides background information.
Upload Speed       896 Kbps
0 Kbps   1091 Kbps
Max Achievable Speed
>Upload speed achieved during the test was - 896 Kbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 1091 Kbps

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Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting about your noise margin, please use the 'contact the mods' link in my forum profile under the 'about me' section to send in your details and we'll look into this. You can find the link by clicking on my username.
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Subject: Fw: Volkswagen Ad     (FROM AL HERMANN, PLEASE WATCH THIS ONE)
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=0A=0A =0AOn Saturday, July 5, 2014 3:47 PM, E L JR HERMANN <ehermann9148@b=
ellsouth.net> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ATHAT WAS GREAT IT REALLY GITS THE POINT A=
CROSS!=0A=A0=0AI sending it to all on my e-mail list. HOPE YOU DO THE SAME.=
=0A=A0=0AAl Hermann =0A=0A=0AOn Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:14 AM, Bobbie Ra=
gsdale <[email protected]> wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =
=0A=0A =0A=0A =A0          =0A=0A =0A=A0 =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>What a brilliant =
way to communicate how risky it is to use mobile phones while driving! Mor=
e than 1.5 million views in 3 days! =0A>>> =0A>>>https://www.youtube.com/e=
mbed/JHixeIr_6BM?rel=3D0&autoplay=3D1&iv_load_policy=3D3
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If you don't know the sender, then it is most likely a scam or spam email. I get them every day - I just delete them. I also get daily notices from Facebook or someone called Adriana at Facebook even though i do not have an account there. Can't do anything about it - just delete it.

How do I find noise margin etc?

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