How do I manually backup to both my pc & icloud via itunes?

When I plug my phone in and open itunes, there's a backup section with both icloud and my computer listed.
I want to be able to make a manual backup in both places (you can't be too careful! :-).
I can freely checked either my computer or icloud, and then click the sync button, but I must be missing something else.
What are the relevant Settings that must be selected on the phone?
Does the phone have to be on/active?
What do I need to do in itunes to back up first to one place and then to the other place?
I'm not getting prompted to enter my icloud login/pw--is that a clue to what's not working...

Well, t'uh! (insert apple rant here)
Maybe someone will come by later and explain that bit to us. At least for now, I can mostly do what I want, although it's rather awkward and kludgy.
Thanks for the info, both of you, I appreciate it.
(still grumbling about the apple universe under my breath ;-)

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