How do I vertically center links in spry horizontal nav bar?

OS: Mac OS 10.6.7
APP: Dreamweaver CS5.5
Browser: Opera, Safari, Firefox, Chrome
At first, positioning looked great in Chrome and Firefox but was off in Safari and Opera. The link text appeared half on the background image and half below it.
After ample fiddling, vertical positioning is not working in any browser. Please let me know what properties, in what combination, used on which HTML objects will get me reliable results.
HTML:
<script src="../SpryAssets/SpryMenuBar.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
<link href="../SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarHorizontal.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
<link href="../styles/styles.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
</head>
<body>
<div class="container">
<div class="header"><a href="../index.html"><img src="../images/banner.jpg" width="848" height="160" alt="Dorsay & Easton LLP, Indian Law, Home Page" /></a></div>
   <div class="menuImg">
<ul id="MenuBar3" class="MenuBarHorizontal">
    <li id="home" name="home"><a href="../index.html" title="Home page">Home</a></li>
    <li id="practice"><a href="../practice.html" title="Practice Areas">Practice Areas</a></li>
    <li id="team"><a href="../team.html" title="The Team at Dorsay & Easton">The Team</a></li>
    <li id="contact"><a href="../contact.html" title="Contact Us">Contact Us</a></li>
    <li id="canoe"><a href="#"> </a></li>
</ul>
</div>
CSS:
/* The outermost container of the Menu Bar, an auto width box with no margin or padding */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal
     list-style-type: none;
     font-size: 110%;
     cursor: default;
     width: auto;
     background-image: url(../images/menubackgrd.jpg);
     vertical-align: middle;
     position: relative;
     height: 38px;
     margin: 0px;
     padding-top: 0px;
/* Set the active Menu Bar with this class, currently setting z-index to accomodate IE rendering bug: http://therealcrisp.xs4all.nl/meuk/IE-zindexbug.html */
ul.MenuBarActive
     z-index: 1000;
/* Menu item containers, position children relative to this container and are a fixed width */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal li
     margin: 0;
     list-style-type: none; /* jacq addition. not working? */
     cursor: pointer;
     float: left;
     position: relative;
     height: 38px;
     padding: 2px;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a {
     font-family: "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", sans-serif;
     color: #CC6;
     text-decoration: none;
     padding-top: 10px;
     padding-right: 12px;
     padding-bottom: 10px;
     padding-left: 12px;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:hover, ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:focus
     font-family: "Lucida Sans Unicode", "Lucida Grande", sans-serif;
     color: #FFC;
     text-decoration: none;
     margin: 0px;
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a:active
     color: #FFC;
     text-decoration: none;
     margin: 0px;
/* Submenus should appear below their parent (top: 0) with a higher z-index, but they are initially off the left side of the screen (-1000em) */
/* commenting out all submenu style info
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul
     margin: 0;
     padding: 0;
     list-style-type: none;
     font-size: 100%;
     z-index: 1020;
     cursor: default;
     position: absolute;
     left: -1000em;
/* Submenu that is showing with class designation MenuBarSubmenuVisible, we set left to auto so it comes onto the screen below its parent menu item
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
     left: auto;
/* Menu item containers are same fixed width as parent
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul li
     width: 8.2em;
/* Submenus should appear slightly overlapping to the right (95%) and up (-5%)
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul ul
     position: absolute;
     margin: -5% 0 0 95%;
/* Submenu that is showing with class designation MenuBarSubmenuVisible, we set left to 0 so it comes onto the screen
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible ul.MenuBarSubmenuVisible
     left: auto;
     top: 0;
DESIGN INFORMATION: describes color scheme, borders, fonts
/* Submenu containers have borders on all sides
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul
     border: 1px solid #CCC;
SUBMENU INDICATION: styles if there is a submenu under a given menu item
/* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%)
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenu
     background-image: url(SpryMenuBarDown.gif);
     background-repeat: no-repeat;
     background-position: 95% 50%;
/* Menu items that have a submenu have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenu and are set to use a background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%)
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul a.MenuBarItemSubmenu
     background-image: url(SpryMenuBarRight.gif);
     background-repeat: no-repeat;
     background-position: 95% 50%;
/* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%)
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
     background-image: url(SpryMenuBarDownHover.gif);
     background-repeat: no-repeat;
     background-position: 95% 50%;
/* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%)
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
     background-image: url(SpryMenuBarRightHover.gif);
     background-repeat: no-repeat;
     background-position: 95% 50%;
BROWSER HACKS: the hacks below should not be changed unless you are an expert
/* HACK FOR IE: to make sure the sub menus show above form controls, we underlay each submenu with an iframe */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal iframe
     position: absolute;
     z-index: 1010;
     filter:alpha(opacity:0.1);
/* HACK FOR IE: to stabilize appearance of menu items; the slash in float is to keep IE 5.0 from parsing */
@media screen, projection
ul.MenuBarHorizontal li.MenuBarItemIE
     display: inline;
     f\loat: left;
     background: #FFF;
#practice {
     height: 38px;
#home {
     height: 38px;
     margin-left: 5px;
#team {
     height: 38px;
#contact {
     height: 38px;
#canoe {
     height: 38px;
     width: 285px;
.menuImg {
     background-image: url(../../../DW-CIB/images/menubackgrd.jpg);
     height: 38px;
     width: 848px;
     position: inherit;
     visibility: visible;
     z-index: 2;
     top: auto;
     bottom: inherit;
     vertical-align: middle;
Thanks!
gotsowell

Try line-height: 19px; and display: block; (as shown) on the following css seletor :
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a {
     font-family: Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;
     color: #CC6;
     text-decoration: none;
     padding-top: 10px;
     padding-right: 12px;
     padding-bottom: 10px;
     padding-left: 12px;
     line-height: 19px;
     display: block;
Normally setting a height on a container which you have no control over is not a good idea. The text can be enlarged and that will throw everything off. The best way is to set no heights at all but use padding and make sure your background image is flexible enough to accommodate the text enlargement.
ul.MenuBarHorizontal a {
      padding: 12px 12px;
     display: block;

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background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: 95% 50%;
/* Menu items that are open with submenus have the class designation MenuBarItemSubmenuHover and are set to use a "hover" background image positioned on the far left (95%) and centered vertically (50%) */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal ul a.MenuBarItemSubmenuHover
background-image: url(SpryMenuBarRightHover.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: 95% 50%;
BROWSER HACKS: the hacks below should not be changed unless you are an expert
/* HACK FOR IE: to make sure the sub menus show above form controls, we underlay each submenu with an iframe */
ul.MenuBarHorizontal iframe
position: absolute;
z-index: 1010;
filter:alpha(opacity:0.1);
/* HACK FOR IE: to stabilize appearance of menu items; the slash in float is to keep IE 5.0 from parsing */
@media screen, projection
ul.MenuBarHorizontal li.MenuBarItemIE
display: inline;
f\loat: left;
background: #FFF;
SpryMenuBar.js
// SpryMenuBar.js - version 0.12 - Spry Pre-Release 1.6.1
// Copyright (c) 2006. Adobe Systems Incorporated.
// All rights reserved.
// Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
// modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:
//   * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice,
//     this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
//   * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice,
//     this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation
//     and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
//   * Neither the name of Adobe Systems Incorporated nor the names of its
//     contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this
//     software without specific prior written permission.
// THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS"
// AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
// IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
// ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE
// LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR
// CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF
// SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS
// INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN
// CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE)
// ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE
// POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
SpryMenuBar.js
This file handles the JavaScript for Spry Menu Bar. You should have no need
to edit this file. Some highlights of the MenuBar object is that timers are
used to keep submenus from showing up until the user has hovered over the parent
menu item for some time, as well as a timer for when they leave a submenu to keep
showing that submenu until the timer fires.
var Spry; if (!Spry) Spry = {}; if (!Spry.Widget) Spry.Widget = {};
Spry.BrowserSniff = function()
var b = navigator.appName.toString();
var up = navigator.platform.toString();
var ua = navigator.userAgent.toString();
this.mozilla = this.ie = this.opera = this.safari = false;
var re_opera = /Opera.([0-9\.]*)/i;
var re_msie = /MSIE.([0-9\.]*)/i;
var re_gecko = /gecko/i;
var re_safari = /(applewebkit|safari)\/([\d\.]*)/i;
var r = false;
if ( (r = ua.match(re_opera))) {
this.opera = true;
this.version = parseFloat(r[1]);
} else if ( (r = ua.match(re_msie))) {
this.ie = true;
this.version = parseFloat(r[1]);
} else if ( (r = ua.match(re_safari))) {
this.safari = true;
this.version = parseFloat(r[2]);
} else if (ua.match(re_gecko)) {
var re_gecko_version = /rv:\s*([0-9\.]+)/i;
r = ua.match(re_gecko_version);
this.mozilla = true;
this.version = parseFloat(r[1]);
this.windows = this.mac = this.linux = false;
this.Platform = ua.match(/windows/i) ? "windows" :
     (ua.match(/linux/i) ? "linux" :
     (ua.match(/mac/i) ? "mac" :
     ua.match(/unix/i)? "unix" : "unknown"));
this[this.Platform] = true;
this.v = this.version;
if (this.safari && this.mac && this.mozilla) {
this.mozilla = false;
Spry.is = new Spry.BrowserSniff();
// Constructor for Menu Bar
// element should be an ID of an unordered list (<ul> tag)
// preloadImage1 and preloadImage2 are images for the rollover state of a menu
Spry.Widget.MenuBar = function(element, opts)
this.init(element, opts);
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.init = function(element, opts)
this.element = this.getElement(element);
// represents the current (sub)menu we are operating on
this.currMenu = null;
this.showDelay = 250;
this.hideDelay = 600;
if(typeof document.getElementById == 'undefined' || (navigator.vendor == 'Apple Computer, Inc.' && typeof window.XMLHttpRequest == 'undefined') || (Spry.is.ie && typeof document.uniqueID == 'undefined'))
// bail on older unsupported browsers
return;
// Fix IE6 CSS images flicker
if (Spry.is.ie && Spry.is.version < 7){
try {
   document.execCommand("BackgroundImageCache", false, true);
} catch(err) {}
this.upKeyCode = Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_UP;
this.downKeyCode = Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_DOWN;
this.leftKeyCode = Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_LEFT;
this.rightKeyCode = Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_RIGHT;
this.escKeyCode = Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_ESC;
this.hoverClass = 'MenuBarItemHover';
this.subHoverClass = 'MenuBarItemSubmenuHover';
this.subVisibleClass ='MenuBarSubmenuVisible';
this.hasSubClass = 'MenuBarItemSubmenu';
this.activeClass = 'MenuBarActive';
this.isieClass = 'MenuBarItemIE';
this.verticalClass = 'MenuBarVertical';
this.horizontalClass = 'MenuBarHorizontal';
this.enableKeyboardNavigation = true;
this.hasFocus = false;
// load hover images now
if(opts)
for(var k in opts)
   if (typeof this[k] == 'undefined')
    var rollover = new Image;
    rollover.src = opts[k];
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.setOptions(this, opts);
// safari doesn't support tabindex
if (Spry.is.safari)
this.enableKeyboardNavigation = false;
if(this.element)
this.currMenu = this.element;
var items = this.element.getElementsByTagName('li');
for(var i=0; i<items.length; i++)
   if (i > 0 && this.enableKeyboardNavigation)
    items[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[0].tabIndex='-1';
   this.initialize(items[i], element);
   if(Spry.is.ie)
    this.addClassName(items[i], this.isieClass);
    items[i].style.position = "static";
if (this.enableKeyboardNavigation)
   var self = this;
   this.addEventListener(document, 'keydown', function(e){self.keyDown(e); }, false);
if(Spry.is.ie)
   if(this.hasClassName(this.element, this.verticalClass))
    this.element.style.position = "relative";
   var linkitems = this.element.getElementsByTagName('a');
   for(var i=0; i<linkitems.length; i++)
    linkitems[i].style.position = "relative";
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_ESC = 27;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_UP = 38;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_DOWN = 40;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_LEFT = 37;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.KEY_RIGHT = 39;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.getElement = function(ele)
if (ele && typeof ele == "string")
return document.getElementById(ele);
return ele;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.hasClassName = function(ele, className)
if (!ele || !className || !ele.className || ele.className.search(new RegExp("\\b" + className + "\\b")) == -1)
return false;
return true;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.addClassName = function(ele, className)
if (!ele || !className || this.hasClassName(ele, className))
return;
ele.className += (ele.className ? " " : "") + className;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.removeClassName = function(ele, className)
if (!ele || !className || !this.hasClassName(ele, className))
return;
ele.className = ele.className.replace(new RegExp("\\s*\\b" + className + "\\b", "g"), "");
// addEventListener for Menu Bar
// attach an event to a tag without creating obtrusive HTML code
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.addEventListener = function(element, eventType, handler, capture)
try
if (element.addEventListener)
   element.addEventListener(eventType, handler, capture);
else if (element.attachEvent)
   element.attachEvent('on' + eventType, handler);
catch (e) {}
// createIframeLayer for Menu Bar
// creates an IFRAME underneath a menu so that it will show above form controls and ActiveX
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.createIframeLayer = function(menu)
var layer = document.createElement('iframe');
layer.tabIndex = '-1';
layer.src = 'javascript:""';
layer.frameBorder = '0';
layer.scrolling = 'no';
menu.parentNode.appendChild(layer);
layer.style.left = menu.offsetLeft + 'px';
layer.style.top = menu.offsetTop + 'px';
layer.style.width = menu.offsetWidth + 'px';
layer.style.height = menu.offsetHeight + 'px';
// removeIframeLayer for Menu Bar
// removes an IFRAME underneath a menu to reveal any form controls and ActiveX
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.removeIframeLayer = function(menu)
var layers = ((menu == this.element) ? menu : menu.parentNode).getElementsByTagName('iframe');
while(layers.length > 0)
layers[0].parentNode.removeChild(layers[0]);
// clearMenus for Menu Bar
// root is the top level unordered list (<ul> tag)
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.clearMenus = function(root)
var menus = root.getElementsByTagName('ul');
for(var i=0; i<menus.length; i++)
this.hideSubmenu(menus[i]);
this.removeClassName(this.element, this.activeClass);
// bubbledTextEvent for Menu Bar
// identify bubbled up text events in Safari so we can ignore them
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.bubbledTextEvent = function()
return Spry.is.safari && (event.target == event.relatedTarget.parentNode || (event.eventPhase == 3 && event.target.parentNode == event.relatedTarget));
// showSubmenu for Menu Bar
// set the proper CSS class on this menu to show it
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.showSubmenu = function(menu)
if(this.currMenu)
this.clearMenus(this.currMenu);
this.currMenu = null;
if(menu)
this.addClassName(menu, this.subVisibleClass);
if(typeof document.all != 'undefined' && !Spry.is.opera && navigator.vendor != 'KDE')
   if(!this.hasClassName(this.element, this.horizontalClass) || menu.parentNode.parentNode != this.element)
    menu.style.top = menu.parentNode.offsetTop + 'px';
if(Spry.is.ie && Spry.is.version < 7)
   this.createIframeLayer(menu);
this.addClassName(this.element, this.activeClass);
// hideSubmenu for Menu Bar
// remove the proper CSS class on this menu to hide it
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.hideSubmenu = function(menu)
if(menu)
this.removeClassName(menu, this.subVisibleClass);
if(typeof document.all != 'undefined' && !Spry.is.opera && navigator.vendor != 'KDE')
   menu.style.top = '';
   menu.style.left = '';
if(Spry.is.ie && Spry.is.version < 7)
   this.removeIframeLayer(menu);
// initialize for Menu Bar
// create event listeners for the Menu Bar widget so we can properly
// show and hide submenus
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.initialize = function(listitem, element)
var opentime, closetime;
var link = listitem.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
var submenus = listitem.getElementsByTagName('ul');
var menu = (submenus.length > 0 ? submenus[0] : null);
if(menu)
this.addClassName(link, this.hasSubClass);
if(!Spry.is.ie)
// define a simple function that comes standard in IE to determine
// if a node is within another node
listitem.contains = function(testNode)
   // this refers to the list item
   if(testNode == null)
    return false;
   if(testNode == this)
    return true;
   else
    return this.contains(testNode.parentNode);
// need to save this for scope further down
var self = this;
this.addEventListener(listitem, 'mouseover', function(e){self.mouseOver(listitem, e);}, false);
this.addEventListener(listitem, 'mouseout', function(e){if (self.enableKeyboardNavigation) self.clearSelection(); self.mouseOut(listitem, e);}, false);
if (this.enableKeyboardNavigation)
this.addEventListener(link, 'blur', function(e){self.onBlur(listitem);}, false);
this.addEventListener(link, 'focus', function(e){self.keyFocus(listitem, e);}, false);
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.keyFocus = function (listitem, e)
this.lastOpen = listitem.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
this.addClassName(this.lastOpen, listitem.getElementsByTagName('ul').length > 0 ? this.subHoverClass : this.hoverClass);
this.hasFocus = true;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.onBlur = function (listitem)
this.clearSelection(listitem);
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.clearSelection = function(el){
//search any intersection with the current open element
if (!this.lastOpen)
return;
if (el)
el = el.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
// check children
var item = this.lastOpen;
while (item != this.element)
   var tmp = el;
   while (tmp != this.element)
    if (tmp == item)
     return;
    try{
     tmp = tmp.parentNode;
    }catch(err){break;}
   item = item.parentNode;
var item = this.lastOpen;
while (item != this.element)
this.hideSubmenu(item.parentNode);
var link = item.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
this.removeClassName(link, this.hoverClass);
this.removeClassName(link, this.subHoverClass);
item = item.parentNode;
this.lastOpen = false;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.keyDown = function (e)
if (!this.hasFocus)
return;
if (!this.lastOpen)
this.hasFocus = false;
return;
var e = e|| event;
var listitem = this.lastOpen.parentNode;
var link = this.lastOpen;
var submenus = listitem.getElementsByTagName('ul');
var menu = (submenus.length > 0 ? submenus[0] : null);
var hasSubMenu = (menu) ? true : false;
var opts = [listitem, menu, null, this.getSibling(listitem, 'previousSibling'), this.getSibling(listitem, 'nextSibling')];
if (!opts[3])
opts[2] = (listitem.parentNode.parentNode.nodeName.toLowerCase() == 'li')?listitem.parentNode.parentNode:null;
var found = 0;
switch (e.keyCode){
case this.upKeyCode:
   found = this.getElementForKey(opts, 'y', 1);
   break;
case this.downKeyCode:
   found = this.getElementForKey(opts, 'y', -1);
   break;
case this.leftKeyCode:
   found = this.getElementForKey(opts, 'x', 1);
   break;
case this.rightKeyCode:
   found = this.getElementForKey(opts, 'x', -1);
   break;
case this.escKeyCode:
case 9:
   this.clearSelection();
   this.hasFocus = false;
default: return;
switch (found)
case 0: return;
case 1:
   //subopts
   this.mouseOver(listitem, e);
   break;
case 2:
   //parent
   this.mouseOut(opts[2], e);
   break;
case 3:
case 4:
   // left - right
   this.removeClassName(link, hasSubMenu ? this.subHoverClass : this.hoverClass);
   break;
var link = opts[found].getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
if (opts[found].nodeName.toLowerCase() == 'ul')
opts[found] = opts[found].getElementsByTagName('li')[0];
this.addClassName(link, opts[found].getElementsByTagName('ul').length > 0 ? this.subHoverClass : this.hoverClass);
this.lastOpen = link;
opts[found].getElementsByTagName('a')[0].focus();
        //stop further event handling by the browser
return Spry.Widget.MenuBar.stopPropagation(e);
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.mouseOver = function (listitem, e)
var link = listitem.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
var submenus = listitem.getElementsByTagName('ul');
var menu = (submenus.length > 0 ? submenus[0] : null);
var hasSubMenu = (menu) ? true : false;
if (this.enableKeyboardNavigation)
this.clearSelection(listitem);
if(this.bubbledTextEvent())
// ignore bubbled text events
return;
if (listitem.closetime)
clearTimeout(listitem.closetime);
if(this.currMenu == listitem)
this.currMenu = null;
// move the focus too
if (this.hasFocus)
link.focus();
// show menu highlighting
this.addClassName(link, hasSubMenu ? this.subHoverClass : this.hoverClass);
this.lastOpen = link;
if(menu && !this.hasClassName(menu, this.subHoverClass))
var self = this;
listitem.opentime = window.setTimeout(function(){self.showSubmenu(menu);}, this.showDelay);
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.mouseOut = function (listitem, e)
var link = listitem.getElementsByTagName('a')[0];
var submenus = listitem.getElementsByTagName('ul');
var menu = (submenus.length > 0 ? submenus[0] : null);
var hasSubMenu = (menu) ? true : false;
if(this.bubbledTextEvent())
// ignore bubbled text events
return;
var related = (typeof e.relatedTarget != 'undefined' ? e.relatedTarget : e.toElement);
if(!listitem.contains(related))
if (listitem.opentime)
   clearTimeout(listitem.opentime);
this.currMenu = listitem;
// remove menu highlighting
this.removeClassName(link, hasSubMenu ? this.subHoverClass : this.hoverClass);
if(menu)
   var self = this;
   listitem.closetime = window.setTimeout(function(){self.hideSubmenu(menu);}, this.hideDelay);
if (this.hasFocus)
   link.blur();
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.getSibling = function(element, sibling)
var child = element[sibling];
while (child && child.nodeName.toLowerCase() !='li')
child = child[sibling];
return child;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.prototype.getElementForKey = function(els, prop, dir)
var found = 0;
var rect = Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getPosition;
var ref = rect(els[found]);
var hideSubmenu = false;
//make the subelement visible to compute the position
if (els[1] && !this.hasClassName(els[1], this.MenuBarSubmenuVisible))
els[1].style.visibility = 'hidden';
this.showSubmenu(els[1]);
hideSubmenu = true;
var isVert = this.hasClassName(this.element, this.verticalClass);
var hasParent = els[0].parentNode.parentNode.nodeName.toLowerCase() == 'li' ? true : false;
for (var i = 1; i < els.length; i++){
//when navigating on the y axis in vertical menus, ignore children and parents
if(prop=='y' && isVert && (i==1 || i==2))
   continue;
//when navigationg on the x axis in the FIRST LEVEL of horizontal menus, ignore children and parents
if(prop=='x' && !isVert && !hasParent && (i==1 || i==2))
   continue;
if (els[i])
   var tmp = rect(els[i]);
   if ( (dir * tmp[prop]) < (dir * ref[prop]))
    ref = tmp;
    found = i;
// hide back the submenu
if (els[1] && hideSubmenu){
this.hideSubmenu(els[1]);
els[1].style.visibility = '';
return found;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.camelize = function(str)
if (str.indexOf('-') == -1){
return str;
var oStringList = str.split('-');
var isFirstEntry = true;
var camelizedString = '';
for(var i=0; i < oStringList.length; i++)
if(oStringList[i].length>0)
   if(isFirstEntry)
    camelizedString = oStringList[i];
    isFirstEntry = false;
   else
    var s = oStringList[i];
    camelizedString += s.charAt(0).toUpperCase() + s.substring(1);
return camelizedString;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getStyleProp = function(element, prop)
var value;
try
if (element.style)
   value = element.style[Spry.Widget.MenuBar.camelize(prop)];
if (!value)
   if (document.defaultView && document.defaultView.getComputedStyle)
    var css = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle(element, null);
    value = css ? css.getPropertyValue(prop) : null;
   else if (element.currentStyle)
     value = element.currentStyle[Spry.Widget.MenuBar.camelize(prop)];
catch (e) {}
return value == 'auto' ? null : value;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getIntProp = function(element, prop)
var a = parseInt(Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getStyleProp(element, prop),10);
if (isNaN(a))
return 0;
return a;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getPosition = function(el, doc)
doc = doc || document;
if (typeof(el) == 'string') {
el = doc.getElementById(el);
if (!el) {
return false;
if (el.parentNode === null || Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getStyleProp(el, 'display') == 'none') {
//element must be visible to have a box
return false;
var ret = {x:0, y:0};
var parent = null;
var box;
if (el.getBoundingClientRect) { // IE
box = el.getBoundingClientRect();
var scrollTop = doc.documentElement.scrollTop || doc.body.scrollTop;
var scrollLeft = doc.documentElement.scrollLeft || doc.body.scrollLeft;
ret.x = box.left + scrollLeft;
ret.y = box.top + scrollTop;
} else if (doc.getBoxObjectFor) { // gecko
box = doc.getBoxObjectFor(el);
ret.x = box.x;
ret.y = box.y;
} else { // safari/opera
ret.x = el.offsetLeft;
ret.y = el.offsetTop;
parent = el.offsetParent;
if (parent != el) {
   while (parent) {
    ret.x += parent.offsetLeft;
    ret.y += parent.offsetTop;
    parent = parent.offsetParent;
// opera & (safari absolute) incorrectly account for body offsetTop
if (Spry.is.opera || Spry.is.safari && Spry.Widget.MenuBar.getStyleProp(el, 'position') == 'absolute')
   ret.y -= doc.body.offsetTop;
if (el.parentNode)
   parent = el.parentNode;
else
parent = null;
if (parent.nodeName){
var cas = parent.nodeName.toUpperCase();
while (parent && cas != 'BODY' && cas != 'HTML') {
   cas = parent.nodeName.toUpperCase();
   ret.x -= parent.scrollLeft;
   ret.y -= parent.scrollTop;
   if (parent.parentNode)
    parent = parent.parentNode;
   else
    parent = null;
return ret;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.stopPropagation = function(ev)
if (ev.stopPropagation)
ev.stopPropagation();
else
ev.cancelBubble = true;
if (ev.preventDefault)
ev.preventDefault();
else
ev.returnValue = false;
Spry.Widget.MenuBar.setOptions = function(obj, optionsObj, ignoreUndefinedProps)
if (!optionsObj)
return;
for (var optionName in optionsObj)
if (ignoreUndefinedProps && optionsObj[optionName] == undefined)
   continue;
obj[optionName] = optionsObj[optionName];

I have not seen your error in either my IE or my chrome. I do note that you are using a "strict" Document Type Declaration.
You might try a transitional DTD, which should be more forgiving than the strict:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
Other than that, I don't see anything particular (because I don't see the error, either) that would cause the menu to drop vertically instead of horizontally.
Beth

Problem endering Spry Horizontal Menu Bar in IE7...help.

I have created a horizontal menu bar in DW CS4 using Spry. When I view using live view, everything is working. When I test in Firefox and Nomad, everything renders as expected. I have tested the page www.ridedesigns/newsite/index.htm using IE7 on both a Windows XP and Vista platform. The problem is that the dropdown menu items fall on a layer behind the company logo (or so it appears) and are only partially visible behind that jpg.
What have I done incorrectly, or is this a known bug?

Here's how I changed the top of your page. Add these two divs:
#menudiv {
    width: 868px;
    margin-top: 0px;
    margin-right: auto;
    margin-bottom: 0px;
    margin-left: auto;
    text-align: center;
#maintable {
    width: 868px;
    margin-top: 0px;
    margin-right: auto;
    margin-bottom: 0px;
    margin-left: auto;
    clear: both;
And use them this way:
<BODY>
<PRE> </PRE>
<div id="menudiv">all of your menu markup here, as you have it now</div>
<div id="maintable">
<TABLE width="868" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" id="template">
    <TBODY>
      <TR valign="bottom">
        <TD height="68" colspan="5" align="left"><IMG src="./index_files/web_banner.gif" width="648" height="73" alt="Ride Designs"></TD>
      </TR>
...rest of table as it is now, followed by
</div>
In my analysis, by placing the menubar in the table, it was sinking into the universe of the table and could not rise above it with z-index. In fact, in IE, the list items in the submenus were taking on the height of the <tr> as well as falling down behind lower table rows.
By putting both the menubar and the table into identically-positioned divs...centered by using the margin: auto; on both sides...they will sit adjacent to each other and not interfere. It did not function correctly with both menubar and table in the same div.
Thanks for letting me dig this through you.
Beth

How do I create a horizontal nav-bar with CSS, set to an exact width?

I have a problem that I need help with. All I need to do is
to create a simple text-based horizontal navigation bar using CSS.
I have seen many CSS tutorials online about how to make a
horizontal navigation bar using unordered lists, but they all seem
to either set the bar to be centred or to the full width of the
page, or if they do set it to be a certain width, then the buttons
within that width are centred within pre-defined widths for each
one.
Unfortunately none of these help me - let me explain my
scenario...
I have an area that is exactly 700px wide. In this area I
want to put 5 text hyperlinks.
I want the first text-link to be aligned to the left of my
700px width, and I want the last text-link to be aligned to the
right of the 700px width.
I want the spaces between each of these text-links to all be
the same.
The only definite known width is the overall 700px. I will
not know the width of each text-link, as (a) they are all live
text, and (b) the phrases for each could change.
I have mocked up a quick diagram showing in more detail
precisely what I mean:
http://www.nothowitlooks.com/temp/navbar.gif
Can anyone please help me with this?
Thanks.

.oO(BrettArchibald)
>Oh look, a third person joining the discussion and not
actually proposing any
>solutions to the original query. Just what this thread
needs.
Oh look, a person seeking for help turning into a troll. Just
what this
group needs.
> Well, to be fair, Kim did make a sterling effort in
trying, but just didn't
>manage to fully understand the layout required.
>
> To address your "points":
>
quote:
some things simply can't be done or don't make any sense in
the Web. Even a
>client has to accept that. Let them write wishes to Santa
Clause if they want,
>but they have to accept the rules of the medium they're
working with.
>Period.
> Wrong, wrong, silly comment and wrong.
>
> To elaborate: firstly, with regards to design,
everything can be done, it's
>simply a matter of how.
Only in your fantasy. In practice there are always some
limits enforced
by the used material or technology. You simply can't violate
such basic
rules and laws, even if you would like to.
>Whether you use text, images, tables, CSS, or even
>Flash, the objective is first to design the site with
both your client's and
>their customers needs and expectations, and then to build
it, regardless of how
>difficult-to-code that design may or may not be.
It always looks good on paper, but not every design can be
turned into
practice. This not only applies to web design, but to almost
every kind
of development. Often enough you have to find compromises or
workarounds
if the engineers say "won't work". The problem is that many
designers
don't understand this or don't want to. They're just thinking
and living
in their perfect theoretical world, but have no idea of how
things work
in the real world. And many theoretical things simply don't
work there.
Each medium has its own rules and laws. Some things may work
well for a
printed paper for example, but not in the Web and vice versa.
Of course
you can try to break these rules, but you'll definitely fail.
>You should not compromise your
>design because of a lack of coding knowledge.
It's not lack if coding knowledge if you refuse to try things
that are
impossible or don't make sense. It's quite the opposite,
because you
don't have to waste your time with something that won't work
at all.
>If you don't know how to do it
>yourself, then find out how to do it (which is what I was
*originally* trying
>to do here, remember?).
Quite easy. Surf the web, and if you see something like what
you want,
just have a look at the source code or post the URL here. If
it can be
done, then it already has been done. Just show us an example
and we'll
happily explain it to you.
> Secondly, no, a client does NOT have to accept that
"some things simply can't
>be done or don't make any sense in the Web".
Sure they have. The client is not always king. And if they
insist on
stupid things and always know it better - why the hell are
they hiring
you instead of doing it themselves? If they want their work
to be done
by an expert, they should also _listen_ to that expert and
let him do
his work properly instead of telling him how he should do it.
That's not
going to work.
>Like I said earlier, some clients
>are not interested in hearing about how what they want
cannot be done, and any
>attempts to tell them so only serve to convince them to
take their work, and
>their money, to someone else. Most clients, thankfully,
are adaptable and
>willing to reason. However, some are not, and if these
clients take their money
>elsewhere, you lose the job and you don't get paid. It's
that simple.
Let's say you want a little film to be made about whatever.
Would you
tell the director where he should position the cameras, the
lights and
all the stuff? He already knows _what_ you want to get, so
why don't you
just let him decide _how_ to do it? It's his job! And if he
says that
filming directly towards bright sunlight usually doesn't work
well, you
should respect his expert opinion.
>
quote:
You won't make friends here with such an attitude. Please
stop insulting
>regulars or just leave.
>
> Firstly, I'm not here to make friends. Neither am I here
to make enemies. I am
>here to get help with a coding problem. When people offer
"alternative advice"
>that hinders my progress in finding a solution, I tell
them so. I give back
>what I get.
You asked for advice and you got proper answers. We really
don't need
people here just looking for the answers they want to hear.
Often enough
people are coming here looking for a cure to a particular
problem, while
it would be much easier to avoid that problem right from the
beginning.
Of course if they don't want to hear such alternatives -
their problem.
> Secondly, I was not aware that "regulars" to this site
had any special
>"insult-free privileges" or suchlike that newcomers did
not.
It's not the best idea to bite the hand that feeds you. It's
the group's
regulars who answer almost all of the questions here. And
most of them
also know how to use a killfile.
>I don't care if
>someone is a regular or a newcomer - when I ask a
technical question and
>instead of either potential advice or even silence, I
instead receive
>un-warranted "design advice", I'll make my opinions
known.
So do we. If someone wants something that's not possible or
not going to
work, we'll "make our opinions known". After all that's what
a free
discussion board/forum/group is for.
> As for the "just leave" suggestion for supposedly
"insulting regulars", I
>could very well say the exact same thing to you, for the
reason of not actually
>contributing anything to the discussion that attempts to
address the original
>query of this thread.
> In fact, you know what, I think I will. Here goes:
> Please either propose a solution to my original CSS
problem or just leave.
> There, how was that?
Want to try again?
With pure CSS and text links it can't be done within the
given
constraints. I even doubt that it's possible with a table. So
either
drop the fixed 700px width or the equal space between the
buttons.
> P.S: Seeing as though pedantry seems to be something
you're interested in,
>judging by the "rant" tag comment, I thought I'd point
out that you spelled
>Santa Clause wrong.
You can keep the 'e'. In German we have more than enough of
them.
And if you would be familiar with web design, then you would
have known
where this ironic "error message" came from.
Your turn.
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