How do you compress . . . losslessly?

Hi,
I should know how to do this, but I can't! We make 4 minute programs. We now shoot on Panasonic P2 cards with the HVX200 - mostly in HD. Edits perfectly in Final Cut Pro 7. All works great, overcranking, etc.
So we'd like to give our client a Master in pretty much lossless format as a QT movie. We export the program from FCPro as a Self Contained movie - the HD format is using about 60mbs data rate, our older Standard Definition (shot on Mini DV) exports as SC movies at about 30 mbs. Everything works well and is fine, and the QT exported movies will play fine - so long as the computer has FCPro loaded on it (which means it has already put the DVCPro Codec in the QT folder). If you try to play a self contained exported movie from FCPro - on a Mac that doesn't have FCPro - the movie won't play. Nor can any PC play it (I don't think.) (Because they won't have the DVCPro codec loaded in the QT folder)
So all we want to do is put the SC movie into Compressor (the older, standard definition shows), compress it so I'll end up with a QT movie that everybody (all our clients) can play. I'm not looking to actually "compress" the movie to make it smaller - I just want it "playable" in all computers with QT. So When I compress in Compressor, say, an older DV program, I'll choose 30,000kbps as the rate with full size export, no frames control (as I'm not changing the size or frame rate) -- and here's where the weirdness begins. When Compressor is finished with a 4 minute movie- it plays fine - but NOT at 30 mbs. It fluctuates, but usually plays about 14 mbs or thereabouts! But WHY? I put in 30mbs - but that's not what Compressor does!
To make matters worse - if I compress only a 10 second "test" clip - set it at 30mbs - it'll compress that at about 24 mbs . . . better than 14, but still is ignoring what I tell it. We use one pass (it's faster, and I figure I don't need VBR at these high data rates - could be wrong here. Using h.264 of course. When I compress the HD footage, things seem to work. I can choose 40 mbs, and that's what ompressor does - but with the miniDV Masters - it won't recompress it at 30mbs? I'm also noticing even though I tell Compressor to export at Full Size (720x480) my exported tests are at 655x480?? ***???
Why won't Compressor listen to me!! Grrrrr . . .
Can any of you gurus out there help? I'm simply trying to compress our Self contained exported Masters to QT - not so much to make the files smaller - rather to get them OUT of the DVCPro codecs so they'll play on a computer without FCPro loaded on it.
Wait a minute - I might be getting slightly confused - with the Standard Definition movies shot on MiniDV - perhaps THOSE SC movies can be played by any any machine with QT?
Thanks for any input here!
Larry

Hi Larry,
the Apple ProRes codecs will give you the lossless thing that you wanted.
As you are working with P2 material you can use the Log & Transfer function in FCP to ingest your clips and transcode them into ProRes.
L&T has a setup for ingesting from P2 where you can decide how to transcode your material into: Apple ProRes codec is one of the choice.
You can choose Apple ProRes 422, which will give you good results, keeping the 4:2:2 color space of your source material.
In this way you will be working in a ProRes timeline.
Then you don't need to do any downscaling to SD, just export a self contained QuickTime movie with current settings (no recompressing) and you will get an Apple ProRes encoded QT movie, playable on both Macs and PCs having the QT player installed.
Here you can find more details about these codecs and different professional workflows, including working with P2:
http://documentation.apple.com/en/finalcutpro/professionalformatsandworkflows/
Regards,
Armando.

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