How do you create a engraved effect in illustrator cs4?

say for example, i want to make a metal object look like it has text engraved/chisled into it. what is the fastest (but most realistic) way of getting this effect without drawing all of the secondary 3d looking paths by hand based on copies of the flattened text? or am i missing something somewhere?
I wish negative values were available in the extrude depth (extrude & bevel)
any ideas?
thanks

Hi Scott,
thanks for replying i just found that thread five minutes ago.
I have a script font that i wanted to get this effect (like the chisel (down) effect in photoshop):
I also tried drawing it by hand at the center points of the text > pathfinder > divide and then colour approperatly. which is very slow. if you look at the engraving as a cross-section it would be a "V" shape (as opposed to the square effect in your example).
any tips that could help make this process faster is always welcome.
regards
Jeffrey

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