How does iphoto handle files exactly?

using the program spring cleaning, i found all images outside of my iphoto library and imported them into my library. my question now is, if i run the search again, finding all images not in my iphoto library, can i safely delete those images since they have been copied into iphoto or are they still needed as a reference for the program? how does iphoto work with files exactly? i know there's an "original" and a "data file", but where are each of these stored? when a photo is imported to the iphoto library, does it make a copy of the original and the data file or what?

ryanfg
Unless you changed the default setting in the iPhoto preferences, then if a photo is in the iPhoto Window then it's in the iPhoto Library Folder.
A Note about the iPhoto Library Folder:
In this folder there are various files, which are the Library itself and some ancillary files. Then you have three folders
Originals are the photos as they were downloaded from your camera or scanner.
(ii) Modified contains edited pics, shots that you have cropped, rotated or changed in any way.
This allows the Photos -> Revert to Original command - very useful if you don't like the changes you've made.
(iii) Data holds the thumbnails the the app needs to show you the photos in the iPhoto Window.
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namely that it is such a closed system.
It's not. It's a Database and this
everything needs to be imported...
is a characteristic of databases. This
and exported to use it elsewhere
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*For Users of 10.5 and later*
You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Command-Click for selecting multiple pics.
Uploaded with plasq's Skitch!
+*(Note the above illustration is not a Finder Window. It's the dialogue you get when you go File -> Open)+*
You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:
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If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto.
If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.
*If you want to access the files with iPhoto not running*:
For users of 10.6 and later:
You can download a free Services component from MacOSXAutomation which will give you access to the iPhoto Library from your Services Menu. Using the Services Preference Pane you can even create a keyboard shortcut for it.
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1. *Drag and Drop*: Drag a photo from the iPhoto Window to the desktop, there iPhoto will make a full-sized copy of the pic.
2. *File -> Export*: Select the files in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export. The dialogue will give you various options, including altering the format, naming the files and changing the size. Again, producing a copy.
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