How solid is MBP? compared to thinkpad and others

Hello folks, I've been a happy MBP user for one month now. the only thing that I am still unsure for my choice over thinkpad is the MBP's alumnium case(build quality). how does that compare to the tank solid thinkpad? for example, its widely known that a 60kg man can safely stand on a thinkpad without any damage. how about MBP ? any kind of similiar tests ? even though it's unlikely happening in real world, it does seem to be cool to know that how good MBP is.

I had a 12" aluminum PowerBook before and now have the 15" MacBook Pro. Unlike some others posting here, I find the MacBook Pro to be of exactly the same build quality as my 12" PowerBook: i.e. strong and sturdy. My 12" PowerBook was a little over three years old when I sold it and still in great shape - it should last as many more years as the new owner needs it to. I certainly didn't beat the PowerBook up, but I didn't baby it either. It stood up very well to normal "real life" use, lots of carrying about the house, yard, and in travel bags, and its fair share of bumps.
The MacBook Pro seems exactly the same in terms of the way the case it put together, the way the hinge and latches work, and overall build quality. Frankly, I can't imagine why anyone would call it fragile.

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