How to get to boot menu with W530?

If I switch on the W530, it boots to windows in about 5s. I have tried hitting the F12 and think vangage buttons as fast and as frequently as I can on switching on, but nothing seems to work. I want to boot of the drive in the ulta-bay, but dont know how. With the old W520, it was very easy.
Has something radical changed? E.g. was the 520 using Bios, and the 530 not using bios but using something else (I see UEFI mentioned, but have no idea how to us it).
So the question is, on a W530, which may or may not be using UEFI (how do you tell?), how do I temporarily change the boot order?
I also tried hitting F1 on boot, does nothing also. This is a factory lenovo, with nothing installed, with no devices atttached.
Thanks!

Just went through my own W530 BIOS settings, with Win7 installed (as it was origially pre-installed by Lenovo when I bought it).
Thinkpad Setup:
(1) Security -password
(a) Supervisor password - DISABLED
(b) lock UEFI BIOS setting - DISABLED
(2) Security - UEFI BIOS update option
(a) flash BIOS updating by end-users - ENABLED
(3) Startup
(a) UEFI/legacy boot - BOTH, UEFI/legacy priority - LEGACY FIRST
(b) option key display - ENABLED
(c) boot device list F12 option - ENABLED
(d) boot order lock - DISABLED
These settings produce the "To interrupt normal startup, press Enter" message following the Thinkpad logo at boot time.
According to Lenovo's instructions for problem-solving when attempting to apply BIOS updates, BIOS Initialization is suggested for some problems. To initialize the BIOS settings for Window 8:
(1) turn on the computer to start Windows
(2) hold down the Windows logo key and press C to open the Charm bar on the screen
(3) Select Settings, then Power, from the menu
(4) Select Reboot, to restart the computer

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