How to limit SATA III to SATA II speed on MBP 2011

I've bought an 240 GB SSD with SATA III interface. The SATA controller detects the device correctly and sets up a 6Gbit/s connection.
With this set up my system - and according to many public postings many other systems, too - experience temporary failures of the connection, i.e. the system repeatedly stops sending data over the sata connection. Some information hint that the SATA cable doesn't support 6Gbit/s because it's not shielded well.
I would like to solve this issue by limiting the SATA-sped to 3Gbit/s. This should be possible somehow...
Does anybody know how to configure the SATA-controller to set up a SATA II / 3Gbit/s connection to the SSD?
Thanks in advance!

This article (in German) describes a thorough test.
http://www.mactechnews.de/journals/entry/Macbook-pro-2011-und-sata-3-Erfahrung-6 10.html
Another one is
http://forum.hardmac.com/index.php?showtopic=9957
(google for "ssd sata 3 macbook pro 13 2011 hang" and you will find many reports of incompatibilities.)
The author tested one sata II and three sata III solid state drives in an MacBook pro 13" early 2011.
There are many articles in the net describing problems with MBP 2011 and sata III ssds.
I hope that limiting the sata controller to 3Gbit/s will solve the problem.
I would prefer this solution over buying a sata II ssd. First, because all modern ssd have sata III support and second, because I will be able to use the ssd when I switch to the MBP 2012 at some time in the future.

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Are you experiencing performance issues with your current LR System and in what areas (Develop module, Export, etc.)?
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P55-GD85 SATA III problem

I have just built my system with WD Caviar Black SataIII and installed windows 7 with the hard drive in the SataII port. Everything went great, until I realized I has it in the wrong Sata port and wanted to utilize the SataIII connection to take advantage of the whole reason to buy the board and the hard drive. When I try an switch over, windows attempts to load and then BSOD and restarts immediately.
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Quote from: Jack t.N. on 26-July-10, 02:18:40
What is incorrect about it? Revison 1(I)->1.5Gb/s, Revison 2(II)->3Gb/s and Revision 3(III)->6Gb/s. Makes perfect sense to me.
I was just referring to what it says on that Wikipedia page:
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Terminology
The name SATA II has become synonymous with the 3 Gbit/s standard. In order to provide the industry with consistent terminology, the SATA-IO has compiled a set of marketing guidelines for the third revision of the specification.
* The SATA 6Gb/s specification should be called Serial ATA International Organization: Serial ATA Revision 3.0.
* The technology itself is to be referred to as SATA 6 Gb/s.
* A product using this standard should be called the SATA 6 Gb/s [product name].
Using the terms SATA III or SATA 3.0 to refer to a SATA 6Gb/s product, is unclear and not preferred. SATA-IO has provided a guideline to foster consistent marketing terminology across the industry.
Clear as mud!

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You can certainly install whatever drive you like, but your Macbook Pro is fixed at SATA II. SATA III drives will work fine, but only up to 3Gb/s (which far exceeds a rotational drive's read/write speeds anyway).
In practical terms, if you want to copy your current system onto the new drive, you would need to buy an external enclosure (Firewire or USB2), install the new drive in that and format it Mac Extended using Disk Utility. Clone your current system over using SuperDuper.
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In the User Guide and in the promo/product description for this MB it says it supports RAID 10 Intel and the minimum number of drives needed is four.
There are only TWO SATA III connectors on the MB(Intel). How do you connect four SATA III SSDs to the MB for RAID 10????
I just bought four SATA III SSDs and they were blister packed and nonreturnable!!
HELP!!

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The MSI Specs do NOT make this clear! Period!
The MSI specifications did never tell you that there are more than 2 SATA ports available via the same controller, which would be the precondition for a 4xSATA-III-RAID-10-Setup. There is no Z68 mainboard out there that has more than 2 SATA-III ports on the same controller.
What you are mad about is yourself not checking the number of available SATA-III ports on the same controller. This information is out there, clearly written on the product page, in the user manual and is even indicated by the coloring of the SATA ports themselves.
All you need to do is accept the fact that it is actually you that did not properly acknowledge this clearly available information.
There is no Intel mainboard out there on the market with 4 x SATA-III ports on the same controller, which means a RAID-10-array of 4xSATA-III drives is completely impossible unless you find an add-on SATA-III RAID controller offering at least 4 SATA-III ports which supports a RAID 10 configuration.
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Period!
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SATA III detected at SATA II speeds

Mainboard: MSI 870A-G54 (MS-7599)
Hard Drives detected as:
[ 1.391223] libata version 3.00 loaded.
[ 1.399319] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfbfffc00 port 0xfbfffd00 irq 21
[ 1.399322] ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfbfffc00 port 0xfbfffd80 irq 21
[ 1.399324] ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfbfffc00 port 0xfbfffe00 irq 21
[ 1.399326] ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfbfffc00 port 0xfbfffe80 irq 21
[ 1.399329] ata5: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfbfffc00 port 0xfbffff00 irq 21
[ 1.399331] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m1024@0xfbfffc00 port 0xfbffff80 irq 21
[ 1.716726] ata5: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
[ 1.883381] ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[ 1.883400] ata3: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[ 1.883416] ata6: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[ 1.883431] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[ 1.883447] ata4: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[ 1.885080] ata6.00: ATA-8: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0, 05.01D05, max UDMA/133
[ 1.885083] ata6.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[ 1.885402] ata2.00: ATA-8: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0, 05.01D05, max UDMA/133
[ 1.885404] ata2.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[ 1.885445] ata4.00: ATA-8: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0, 05.01D05, max UDMA/133
[ 1.885447] ata4.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[ 1.885476] ata3.00: ATA-8: WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0, 05.01D05, max UDMA/133
[ 1.885478] ata3.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[ 1.887592] ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 1.887655] ata6.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 1.888086] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 1.888175] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 1.894694] ata1.00: ATA-8: OCZ-VERTEX3, 2.13, max UDMA/133
[ 1.894696] ata1.00: 117231408 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[ 1.905078] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
[ 1.395177] ahci 0000:00:11.0: version 3.0
[ 1.395300] ahci 0000:00:11.0: irq 21 for MSI/MSI-X
[ 1.395389] ahci 0000:00:11.0: AHCI 0001.0200 32 slots 6 ports 3 Gbps 0x3f impl SATA mode
[ 1.395392] ahci 0000:00:11.0: flags: 64bit ncq sntf ilck pm led clo pmp pio slum part
[ 1.398197] scsi0 : ahci
[ 1.398445] scsi1 : ahci
[ 1.398655] scsi2 : ahci
[ 1.398866] scsi3 : ahci
[ 1.399074] scsi4 : ahci
[ 1.399284] scsi5 : ahci
All are SATA III drives and the motherboard support SATA III. There are no jumpers on the drives that limit the speed. I've check the bios and there is no setting to set the speed of the SATA bus. The drives are being detected using ahci but not at SATA III speeds. I'm not sure if it matters but the OCZ drive was cloned for a slower speed drive when it was installed. I've been searching and can't find how to get the drives to detect at SATA III. Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
Last edited by Gnarl (2012-05-22 14:43:20)

Well, I am glad my semi-necro-bump was able to bring fresh new attention to the OP's seemingly unresolved problem.
I am an idiot, and after closer inspection, my SATA III is running at SATA II speeds because it is a SATA II drive. I thought that my Mushkin Atlas mSATA SSD (SATA III) was running at 1.5Gbps, but that is actually my optical drive. My SSD is running at the expected SATA II speed since that particular input is SATA II (which was was indeed aware of).
@OP, if you are still following this thread, I hope your problem is solved.

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I would like to upgrade my computer adding an SSD drive as a master drive and shifting the original 2TB drive to be a slave.
I found several coices of SSD drives but almost all of them are SATA III interface.
Does my desktop supports this interface? as it is just written that it has a SATA interface without specifying which version of SATA!
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It has 2 spare HDD bays as on its specs:
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Hi again, I need help setting up my sata drive now...So far I have set sata 6gbs controller mode to AHCI.
Verfied the Marvell bios recognized my drive correctly and installed windows. Was I supposed to change anything
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S415 SATA Interface - SATA II or SATA III?

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bridle_post wrote: How do I determine if my HP Pavilion HPE h8-1160 CTO supports SATA III? HP documentation doesn't seem to be specific about SATA II or SATA III. Considering an SDD upgrade. Thanks.
Hello bridle_post. It appears these series of HP systems ships with either an AMD chipset and an Intel chipset.
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Here is a link to the specifications for this system with the Intel chipset, and it shows the specification for the hard drives as 3 GB/s.
Here is the link to the AMD motherboard, and it also shows 3GB/s.
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