How to put External MIDI Device on REC and also REC audio sources?

Hi,
I'm new at Logic 8 and i'm having trouble urderstanding how to put an external MIDI device on Rec and still record other Audio tracks.
I created an External Midi device in the Environment and created a midi track and a audio track for the device, so far so good, it all plays well.
But when i try to record the device at the same time as other audio tracks the midi device records but the audio does not, and i can listen to the audio that is getting in but Logic doesn't record anything.
Another thing that i cant understand it why i can only trigger the rec on the external midi device if it is selected?
Regards,
Herculano

After enabling "record" (R) hold down shift and select all tracks you want to record to. You can either do this in the Arrange or in the Mixer section

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