How to show bezier handles in cs4?

hi all
i have drawn a triangle using the pen tool, it has 3 points.
i'd like to modify the bezier handles to give it curved edges but dont know how to make IL show the handles.
could someone please advise?
many thanks
-s

With the convert anchor point tool (Under the Pen tool or Shift C) click and drag the handles out of the anchor point.
Or Effect>Stylize>Rounded Corners might work for you the effect can be expanded but keeping it live gives you the opportunity to change or , hide or delete the effect even after saving.

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Convert AnchorPoint Tool. Press Alt to invoke it when the Pen tool is active. Otherwise, switch to it with Shift C. Use it to drag a smoothPoint's handle, and it will convert the point to a cornerPoint, letting you move the handle you click independently.
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