HP Printer PSC 2175 Color Management

I use raw images from my Canon. In Photoshop Elements v 5, I have color management set to "optimised for printing".
Tutorials on color management advise to de-activate any attempt by the printer driver to manage color. My HP printer driver (PSC 2175) has two options under Color Management: Automatic, or manual.
Under manual I can choose a color profile. The sRGB profile is included, and I can add the AdobeRGB1998 profile.
If I work with PE as described, what is the correct setting for the printer?

With an HP, I think you are probably best off choosing Printer Color Management in PE's print preview and then experimenting with the settings in the driver. Auto is usually not bad, really, since HP traditionally has tried to create a workflow that doesn't require a lot of user intervention.

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Thanks Chris,
I didn't try older Epson drivers + 10.6. I wasn't quite sure if I was getting the exact same colors with the newest Epson drivers + 10.5, so I reverted to the previous version drivers + 10.5 and am able to print perfectly with that.
I must say that Adobe's licensing really gets in the way when there are problems like this. I only updated to 10.6 (yes, perhaps a little prematurely) after reading Adobe's reports on compatibility and searching these forums for any news of problems. But now that I have updated to 10.6, I really don't want to go back to 10.5 permanently. And, as I said, you can't run the same version of Photoshop on the same computer on two different boot systems, without using up the two licenses. This is very frustrating, and violates my understanding of the license that Adobe gives its users: the ability to run the software on either of 2 computers, as long as you don't run on both at the same time.
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Hersch,
since just like me, you're a physicist (I am just a little further from retirement ;) ) I'll explain a little further. computer screens (whether they are CRT or LCD) are based on emission (or transmission) of three colors of light in specific (but different for every screen) shades of red, green, and blue. This light stimulates the receptors in your eye which are sensitive to certain but different bands of red, green and blue as the display emits, making your brain think it sees a certain color instead of a mix of red green and blue. Printers however, produce color by modifying the reflection of the paper by absorbing light. Their color mixing operates completely differently than displays. When you throw all colors of ink on the paper, you get black (the mixing is said to be subtractive) instead of white as you get in displays (the mixing there is additive). The consequence of this is that in the absence of an infinite number of inks you cannot produce all the colors you can display on a monitor using a printer and vice versa. This can be easily seen if you compare a display's profile to a printer profile in a program such as Colorsync utility (on every mac) or
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I have my printer settings set to 4x6 (sheet feeder -
borderless) and "best fit" as the orientation. I
have scale set to "fill entire page." My 4x6 prints
come out with a white border on the left and bottom.
The preview gives no indication of this problem.
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My prints are dark. If I increase the gamma setting
in the dialog box, they get better.
I'm just trying to learn about this myself, but one quesion might be whether your calibration system is tuning your monitor to a gamma of 1.8 or 2.2. Everybody seems to agree that it should be 2.2 these days. This makes the screen look lighter (at least on my system). So I guess this would be going the wrong direction (if it turned out you were calibrating to 1.8).
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his applies to ALL Canon printers drivers running under both Leopard and Snow Leopard and it's the correct "solution" to get them to print without color management (a critical, unavoidable requirement for building custom printer profiles with any 3rd party printer profiling solution).
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http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3669
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In the Color Matching pane of the driver, select ColorSync (not Vendor Matching, or Canon Color Matching!)
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Printing with "No Color Management" from Photoshop actually works the same way. It invisibly pushes through "Generic RGB" or an equivalent when you choose "No Color Management" in its Print dialog, This is why, in the Color Matching pane of the driver, ColorSync subsequently comes up auto-selected and also disabled; Photoshop has done the same thing I just described "under the hood" and as a result, that choice in the driver gets "locked".
When printing through the profile in Photoshop: do it the usual way. (Photoshop Manages Colors, choose the profile, Saturation intent, etc etc etc). It should work fine.
When doing a test print from inside Spyder3Print: since Spyder3Print applies the profile internally to the image data before it's sent to the driver, you should set the driver up exactly the same as when you printed the target image (as I've described above), so this would be ColorSync:Generic RGB in the Color Matching pane.

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