HP z6100 Photo prints are too dark and magenta density is too high, etc...
Hi,
Here's the problem. I am having digital portrait photos printed at 20" by 26" in. for wall displays on an HP Z6100 designjet using universal adhesive vinyl. The test prints came back dark and with strongly pronounced magenta and red in the skin tones. I have a few questions that I hope you can help me with:
1. Is universal vinyl really the best print medium for this or would some photographic paper like luster or matte yield better results?
2. I am not in control of the printing process itself, but would providing the ICC profile for the printer/paper combination make a difference in correcting this issue?
3. The images are jpegs and the color space is sRGB. Should I convert them to CMYK for better results?
4. Any other suggestions please.
Thanks for any help.
Troy-B
Hello Troy-B
The product you have is a commercial printer. I suggest posting in the HP Business Support forum for a better chance at finding a solution.
You may find the Commercial Designjet board here.
http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/Printers-Designjet-Large-Format/bd-p/bsc-414
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