HT204135 Printing using ICC profiles

I have an Epson R2000, and am using Hahnemuhle paper. Have downloaded various ICC profiles and can see to nominate a specific profile with the chosen printer (R2000). After pressing "print", the screen asks what preset I want to use. When I use the show details to see what is in the profiles they are all the same, and none show that I want to use a Hahnemuhle ICC. So how do I set up a new preset?. How in any case can I be sure the printer is in fact using the ICC profile nominated? Thanks for any tips.

Hi
I'm new to Macs and also have a Pixma Pro 9000. When I used to use it with Photoshop CS2 on a PC I got used to turning off color management in the driver, but as you point out, this isn't an option in the Canon OS X driver.
What I have noticed, though, is when I select "photoshop manages color" in the Mac Photoshop CS3 Print dialog box, then delve into the Canon driver settings, Color Matching drop-down menu, although the options are greyed-out, ColorSync is the selected option.
Then, if I specify "printer manages color" in the Photoshop Print dialog box, when I go to the Canon driver Color Matching drop-down, though still greyed-out, it now has "vendor matching" selected.
This suggests to me that, in fact, the equivalent to the "do not color manage" option in the Windows Canon driver is "ColorSync" in the Mac driver. Maybe there is better communication between Photoshop and the Canon driver on the Mac than in Windows, so when you tell Photoshop (Mac) to control the color management it automatically sets the driver to the correct setting? This is all speculation, as I'm still new to the Mac way of doing things, but maybe try it and see what the results look like? (I usually use the Canon Easy Photo Print Pro plug-in anyway, but it would be nice to be able to control printing manually as well in specific circumstances)

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Ok, here's the situation. I've been an Aperture user for over a year, and an R2400 owner for half a year. In that time I have done a huge amount of experimenting, but I've never managed to get Aperture to work perfectly with Epson's 'premium' R2400 ICC profiles - the ones you can download from their site which are better than the ones provided 'in the box'. This hasn't been too big a deal because, in fact, the R2400 does a rather good job just set to 'System Managed' in Aperture and 'Epson Vivid' with a gamma of 1.8 in the printer driver. Nevertheless, it really annoyed me that something that should work wasn't, which is why I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out what's going on. Having said that, I have come across a method which will give you pretty good prints out of your Epson R2400 using the premium profiles in Aperture - it's not perfect, but it's the best you're going to get if you want to use those profiles in Aperture. I understand the words 'it's not perfect' aren't what photography experts would probably want to hear, however, I have seen a few anguished posts from R2400 owners in here before, so I think some people may find it useful.
The whole reason why Aperture is hopeless at using the R2400's premium profiles is because - unusually - their default rendering intent is set to 'relative colorimetric' rather than 'perceptual'. You might say 'but that's good - it means you get more accurate colours!', and if you do, you're right... however, there's a snag. To get an image to reproduce well using Epson's premium profiles and relative colorimetric rendering, you really need to use black point compensation. This is where the trouble lies: Aperture's black point compensation is diabolical to the point of being unusable when used with relative colorimetric rendering - I feel I need to be awarded compensation every time I've ever tempted to use the setting. So because BPC in Aperture is unusable, that effectively makes the premium profiles unusable too, because Aperture always uses the default rendering intent specified in the profile.
The solution? Use perceptual rendering instead. Ok, so you can't change the rendering intent in Aperture, which makes that sound a tad difficult. However, as I said in the above paragraph, Aperture always obeys the default rendering intent specified in the profile... so you can see where we're going with this: we need to change the ICC profiles' default rendering intent from 'relative colorimetric' to 'perceptual'. I did some digging around and found one or two expensive pieces of software that could do that... but then I found that, lo and behold, the Mac OS has a command-line utility which can do the job for us, for precisely £0.00. It's called SIPS or 'Scriptable Image Processing System', and you can find out some information about it here: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2035.html#TNTAG58 For those who don't like reading technical jargon however, here's what you need to do to convert a profile's rendering intent. First go to terminal, then type in the following command:
sips -s renderingIntent perceptual
Do not press 'enter' yet. Instead, add a space after 'perceptual', find the ICC profile you want to modify, and click and drag it into the terminal window. You should then find that your command looks something like this:
sips -s renderingIntent perceptual /Users/yourname/folder/RandomProfile.ICC
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There is just one further thing to be aware of after doing this: for some crazy reason, you then need to turn on BPC in Aperture for the prints to come out as good as possible. Black point compensation shouldn't make any difference when using perceptual rendering as the idea of perceptual is that it takes account of things like that anyway, however, in Aperture BPC does make a difference, so remember to turn it on to get a half decent print. In general, I find that prints made using this setup come out pretty well; they almost perfectly match prints made using the profiles with a perceptual intent in Photoshop Elements, except for the fact that Aperture blocks up the shadows a bit more than Photoshop. However, if you can live with that, you might find this is quite a workable solution.
Now, I said near the beginning of this post that all the above can apply to other printers too. Most printer profiles have 'perceptual' set as their default rendering intent, in which case everything I've just said won't be of much help. However, If you are reading this because you're having problems with ICC profiles in Aperture, but you don't use an Epson R2400, find your problematic ICC profile, double-click on it, and take a look at the window that opens: specifically, at the 'Rendering Intent' the window mentions. If it doesn't say 'Perceptual' then it may well be worth trying the steps I've outlined in this post to set it to perceptual, to see if doing so produces an improvement when using the profile in Aperture.
Finally, just one note of caution: if you decide to try out the steps I've detailed above on a paid-for custom-made profile, please back your profile up before messing with it. I haven't experienced any problems when using SIPS to change a profile's rendering intent, but I obviously can't guarantee that it won't do something weird and corrupt your expensive custom-made profile.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask, although (contrary to any impression I may give) I am not a colour-management expert; I'm just someone who doesn't give up when they have a problem that should be solvable.
Thomas
Mac Pro 2.0GHz with 30" ACD; 15" MacBook Pro 2.0GHz Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Thomas
Wow - thanks for such a comprehensive post.
I have Aperture and a 2400 so this information is exceptionally useful to me.
Again - thanks for caring and sharing
Brian

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It is the monitor profile. Change profiles and you will see a different output each time.
The condition of the monitor can in no way affect the output, but as soon as you re-profile a change in the monitor settings the new profile will affect the output.
In theory if you can hardware calibrate the monitor and not create a new profile (what software might allow this?) there would be no changes to the print but what about what you see on the screen?
Of course this is all based on you creating a ID specific paper profile.

PS CS5 Image Display Differs From Used ICC Profile In Win 7

Hi,
on my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 machine, I just calibrated my Dell SP2309W monitor using an i1DisplayPro and basICColor 5, creating a ICC v2 profile (I am aware of the problems under Windows with ICC v4 profiles).
It created the ICC profile and applied it to be used by Windows. I double checked under COLOR MANAGEMENT that the new ICC profile is being used. Although I can see that the new ICC is being used (desktop appearance changes), there are a few issues I am experiencing:
(1.) Windows Photo Viewer
The thumbnails in Windpows Explorer look fine (they DO use the new ICC profile), when I double click a jpeg and open the image it DOES NOT use the new ICC profile. When I click the PLAY SLIDESHOW button (starting the slideshow) in the opened image in Windows Photo Viewer, the images DO use the new ICC profile.
(2.) Internet Browsers
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(3.) Photoshop CS 5
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Hello,
A note on monitor calibration: calibrating your monitor will not guarentee that every application will display color correctly, it's more of a step along the pipeline, and for the preview part of a color workflow it's the last step. Here's how color translation follows for an ICC workflow when previewing to a monitor:
Image Color Numbers > Document Tag or Workspace Profile > Monitor Profile
For non-color managed applications, if the original document is or isn't tagged with a color profile it will be translated directly to the monitor profile anyway. This is the equivalent in Photoshop of selecting "Monitor" in soft proofing. Selecting monitor in softproofing will bypass the tagged or workspace profile to translate colors directly through the monitor profile.
For most automatic color managed applications (like Firefox), the image will be translated through the tagged profile and then sent through the monitor profile. If the image is untagged or the profile is unrecognized, the colors get sent directly to the monitor profile.
For Photoshop, a tagged document will have its profile respected and then sent to the monitor. An untagged document will be assigned the workspace profile, which acts like a temporary document profile, and then gets sent to the monitor. This is often why users will notice Photoshop behaves differently from other applications. It's usually a case of the workspace coming into play. By default the workspace profile is set to sRGB. You can change this in Edit > Color Settings.
The purpose of the workspace is originally for printing workflows, as a way of keeping consistant color translations when dealing with both tagged and untagged documents. For web output workflows it can be useful for viewing everything through sRGB, which is typical of the average monitor output (not so with newer wide-gamut monitors, another source of confusion...) combined with the fact that originally most web browsers were not color managed. Hence viewing everything through sRGB is pretty close to what most monitors see and what untagged/unmanaged docs will look like.
Monitor calibration is useful only because it brings your monitor output to a "known state". In traditional workflows the monitor was always a middle-man, a preview device which was useful for getting an idea of what the printed output would look like before you print it. Since print colorspaces are often smaller than display spaces, it's feasible and useful to narrow down the monitor/display space and calibrate it to a known state, so that even if it doesn't totally match the print, you'll get used to its differences/limitations and they'll be consistent so long as the calibration is maintained.
For web output, your final output is often another user's computer monitor, which can have any form of behavior (most standard monitors are pretty close to sRGB, or use sRGB as an operating system workspace (default monitor profile). Wide gamuts behave differently, but I'm not sure if there's a particular ICC space that they closely match, or if different wide-gamuts are even that close to each other in their display color spaces.
Hope this helps!

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Since Adobe still haven't acknowledge the printing issue with CS5, I start this thread to report my own problems.
Problem 1:
print copy count is not working. The first print is always one print regardless how many copies you set in the dialog window. The next print will actually print the copies set in the previous print job.
This is a well documented problem, and until today no fix. I am not too worried about this problem because I can always print one copy each time to get job done, until the day Adobe acknowledge and fix the problem.
Problem 2:
when I let the Photoshop manage color and print to a custome ICC profile (generated by Spyer3Print), Photoshop RANDOMLY decides to print a light colored magenta cast picture. It's like Photoshop has used the wrong ICC. Now every time I print a 13x19, I have to pray. Because this thing is so random, I can't even reproduce the problem consistantly.
here's the information about my system:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit (not a fresh system) with 8GB RAM. Printer drivers installed: Canon Pro9000II, Canon MP600, Epson 1400.
I experience problem 2 after I installed CS5 with Epson 1400 printer, but not too frequent. Later on I installed drivers for Epson R1800, Epson R2400, and I mainly print with R2400. All the printer drivers, software updates are the lastest available.
I was a software developer. I wrote windows application before. I am pretty sure the problem is with CS5 based on my knowledge. If I wrote an Windows application that crashs Windows or another party's appliction, I certainly would not blame Microsoft or another party for not writing a bulletproof system. I would try to find a workaround in my own application. That's just my take. Adobe may have different mind set. They are still pointing finger to MS and Epson.

I don't condone the problems, but a workaround I've recently read about for the copy count problem is to do the following, in order:
1. Set the copy count you want.
2. Click the Print Settings... button to enter the printer driver setup dialog.
3. [OK] out.
4. Print
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Keep in mind you may want to go through this again after printing to get the copy count to default back to 1 for the next print.
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Washed out colors with Canon Pro9000 using ICC profiles

I recently bought a brand new Canon Pro9000 printer and have a problem getting acceptable results when using the supplied ICC profiles.
I believe I am doing everything by the book. First I select the correct ICC profile for the printer and the paper I am using in the Aperture print dialog, then I go into Print Setting and set the paper type in the Quality and Media section, as well as matching the print quality to the ICC profile.
The Canon driver I use (10.1.0.0) does not provide the option of explicitly turning off color management in the printer. If a choose a profile from the Aperture printing dialog and then go into "Printer Setting > Color Options" the Color Mode drop down menu is grayed out. After searching trough various discussion forums I can see that some people claim that color management is automatically turned off when selecting a profile, but I have not been able to get a confirmation on this.
The resulting print is quite disappointing, it is very bright and with washed out colors. I have tried quite a few different papers, including semi gloss and photo rag - all original Canon papers (of course using the matching profiles).
Using the default "System Managed" option on the Color Sync drop down menu produces great looking prints that very closely matches what I see on my display. My only take on them is that they are very slightly over saturated.
When I enable on screen proofing with the matching profile, I can see that the picture gets slightly brighter, but way less that what I get on the prints.
I have calibrated my display according to the suggestions from Bagelturf (http://www.bagelturf.com/files/694c5a88c7241f8f04c7cff33cde8e3e-560.php), which is in line with Apple´s recommendations in the Aperture documentation.
I have read trough discussion on similar problems, both here ("more color nasties" and "Printing problem since upgrading to Aperture 2") and at dpreview, but I have not been able to figure out this problem yet.
System configuration:
- MacBook Pro 2.4GHz
- Leopard 10.5.2
- Aperture 2.1
- Panasonic DMC-L1 camera (shooting RAW)
- Canon Pro9000
- Canon driver 10.1.0.0 (CUPS)
Any suggestions?
Regards,
Thomas
Sorry for posting this under the "Book" forum - mistake from my side
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Hi Thomas,
With my iP8500 I leave it on, so it appears to be specifically the behavior of the Pro9000. I did a little more testing last night as I recently re-calibrated my system, and have another method you can try. Instead of turning off "Black Point Compensation" which can leave photos with lots of shadow detail a bit too dark, open up the "Printer Settings" window and go to the color management options. The only thing you can change here is the brightness setting. Change it from Normal to Dark, leaving BPC turned on. I think you'll be pleased with the results. Good luck!

LR crashes when managing printer with ICC profile

Hi,
I'm printing on an Olympus P-11 thermic printer, using a custom ICC profile (Mac OS X). This works perfectly with all versions of Photoshop, including CS3. LightRoom just crashes when trying to use this profile (or any other profile)...
extract from crashlog :
Version: Adobe Lightroom 1.0 (310575)
PID: 622
Thread: 0
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
Thread 0 Crashed:
0 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x907d9ab0 CFDictionaryGetValueIfPresent + 60
1 PrintModule 0x16e21bec dyld_stub_regexec + 383882156
I've tried this on two different computers (Apple G4 and G5), one runing an english version of LR, the other running a french localized version. Same result, and Photoshop prints flawlessly on both...
The problem is definitely in LR.

Nicolas,
I have exactly the same problem on a quad G5, Os X 10.4.9. Lr crashes when trying to use an ICC profile to print to a networked HP B9180. Printing using 'Managed by Printer' doesn't cause a crash (but is obviously not a workaround, due to the less favourable colour output). Deleting preferences and re-creating the library doesn't help.
My crash log looks the same as the snippet you posted. I have filed a bug report.
However after I filed the report, I noticed that I also get the following message in the Console which may be of some diagnostic value (is there anyway I can add this info to my original bug report?):
Adobe Lightroom[558] InkChecker could not launch , launch path not accessible
Jupiter crashdump[563]: Adobe Lightroom crashed
Crash logs available for those who want them,
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is it better to work on an image in the icc profile than in sRGB

It depends. If you know positively that's the profile that will be used, you can do that (a lot of people use it just because it happens to be the Photoshop default).
Pro: you'll be working within Web Coated SWOP's limited gamut from the start, so you won't be disappointed when some colors are clipped in the final conversion. And they would be, because US Web Coated SWOP v2 is a very small color space. Don't expect deep saturated blues, for instance, because you won't get it.
Contra: You have to be very careful to not exceed TAC, total area coverage, while you work. This is the total amount of ink the paper can hold without smearing and/or drying issues. If you convert from an RGB profile this is taken care of automatically, because TAC is specified in the profile, but an adjustment in CMYK can easily push you over the limit. Can't recall what the specific limit is in this case, but somewhere around 300 to 310% should be safe. Ask the printer. You have to monitor this continually.

How to use ICC profiles and soft proofing profiles?

Hi,
I got an Epson Stylus Pro 3880 and Epson Hot Press paper which, upon investigation, received great profeesional reviews and, having never printed digitally before, I don't know how to use profiles for soft proofing or printing.
I don't know where to go in Aperture or what to do. My driver is up to date and I downloaded the paper profile - not sure where it ended up. What's next?
So far as I know, soft proofing is about calibrating the monitor to the paper - am I correct?
Thanks guys,
Raphael

Raphael,
A good reply is going to require a full-size keyboard, which I don't have access to just now. Here are some starter pages:
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/soft-proofing.htm
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/soft-proofing.shtml (a bit grumpy and out-dated)
Fwiw, I print to Epson Hot Press using a 3880. Imho, it's a _great_ printer, and that combination of printer and paper produced state-of-the-art results. (Not suitable in all cases, but if that is a look you like, the only thing that I've seen that surpasses it is the Epson 9900, and without looking at prints side by side you can not tell them apart.)
Your profile ended up wherever you have told your browser to save downloaded files. The Epson site should provide instructions on where to move the file. Once it is in the right Finder folder, when you next Aperture it should show in your list of profiles.
Keep in mind, though, that soft-proofing is useless without a well (read: hardware-calibrated) calibrated display.
HTH,
--Kirby.
(Sent from my magic glass.)

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My Canon 9000 prints perfectly with Aperture 1.5 and 2.0 under Tiger.
A friend with a Canon 9500 eports that the cannot turn off color correction in the printer driver under Leopard. It seems that the option is greyed out.
There is a bit of chatter about this in various PS/LR and other forums.
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I just picked up the 9000 today and I had the same problem too. I discovered that the CUPS driver doesn't allow turning off the profile in the driver. I installed the other driver that is available from the Canon website and it does allow it to be set to 'none'. It is the 4.8.5 version. However, the results I am getting do not look as good as it does from iPhoto with the same settings. I am still experimenting with it.

Is printing with ICC profile usable in CS5 and Mac Intel ?

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I have an Epson Stylus Color 2100 (2200 in USA) which works perfectly in CS3 with a Power Mac G5. I have an iMac (Mac OS 10.6.4) and can't print with my Epson : everything get out greenish when I try to let Photoshop manage color. If I the printer manage color it's ok but since I work with a ColorMunki.... I would prefer to work with my profiles ! Has anyone any ideas ? Thanks for your help.

Just for your info : there is no solution to my problem (greenish prints) it is a CS5 running SnowLeopard and Epson driver problem.
I have not seen this issue with the new Epson drivers for the 9600, except when I did not completely remove old drivers.
For details (and a workaround -not a solution-) you can see Adobe Tech. Note: No color management option missing when printing in Photoshop CS5 http://kb2.abobe.com/cps/834/cpsid_83497.html and for more details you can read in the Luminous Landscape Forums the topics about that ( http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/solving.shtml
and http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=43352.0
By far I am not the only one with this problem. I have to wait for the promised Adobe printer Module (which will be available in Adobe Tech Labs someday).
I have tried to install CS3 on SnowLeopard but with no printing difference hence I will have to print with my G5 and CS3....
I found that with SL that it was best to use sRGB as the assigned profile in the workaround, but this did not produce as good a profile as printing a no CM target with InDesign to create the profile.
By far I am not the only one with this problem. I have to wait for the promised Adobe printer Module (which will be available in Adobe Tech Labs someday).
Removing "No Color Management" from CS5 was just a really dumb move by Adobe just because some Epson drivers were not written correctly. O' and by the way Adobe then releases the new version of Elements with "No Color Management" as an option. So is Adobe going to update CS5 and include the "No Color Management" option? Must be some reason after all this time they have not released the much promised application to print unmanaged targets.
I have tried to install CS3 on SnowLeopard but with no printing difference hence I will have to print with my G5 and CS3....
CS3 was one strange beast when it came to printing. Seems it had elements of both Apple printing paths and depending on what OS version you are using you will get different results. I have no trust what so ever printing from CS3. Now CS4 on the other hand prints just fine, and even prints the "No Color Management" option just fine with correct drivers, and that includes the 8.19 driver for the 9600.

ICC profiles missing in Print dialogue

Couldnt find anything on this matter. Ill keep it simpe:
Seems the print dialouge in PS CS6 isnt calling on the colorsync folder for ICC profiles.
However, soft proofing does call on these profiles. Any thoughts why I am not able to use ICC profiles in print mode?
Reference attached images.
Profiles loaded:
Profiled Not Loaded:

Chris,
Thanks for the input. In CS5, my soft proofing settings would typically
mirror my printer profiles. I would be able to load my profiles from the
print area in CS5 simply by placing them in the colorsync folder in my mac.
The files to be printed are an RGB file to be sent to an RGB printer (epson
9880). The issue is my paper profiles are not loading in the print dialoge.
Im curious to know if CS6 is calling on this folder or if the profiles need
to be loaded somewhere else.

Print with preview different than image using ICC's

Hello;
I am using CS2. Suddenly when I print with preview and choose "any" icc profile, I see an off color image. This off color image is printed off color and not what I originally had. It is approximately 1/2 to one stop density lighter (and redder) and the shadows are cyan/blue, instead of neutral black.
If I choose Adobe RGB as the profile and print, the image is close but not correct. This is happening with CS2 and elements 6.
Of course the r1800 is set for ICM and off - no color adjustment.
I have down loaded new profiles, reinstalled my epson r1800, checked for missing files in CS2.
I am running windows XP Home, 2gig memory, dell xps. I have been using this system for over two years without a problem until now.
Does any one know where I can check for the problem and how to correct for it?
Thanks

On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:44:44 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
Ok, it's not ink, so I'll take another shot at this one.
> I am using CS2. Suddenly when I print with preview and choose "any" icc
> profile, I see an off color image. This off color image is printed off
> color and not what I originally had. It is approximately 1/2 to one stop
> density lighter (and redder) and the shadows are cyan/blue, instead of
> neutral black.
I can't determine whether you mean the print preview dialog's image, or the
preview that is optionally displayed by the Epson driver. The preview
shown by the Epson driver (as opposed to the one shown in the CS2 print
preview dialog) is misleading. The reason is that the RGB values for the
printer are being displayed directly on your monitor. Epsons tend to print
a bit on the cool side, so it's normal for the image to have an overall
reddish look to it.
You say two other things that seem ambiguous to me. One is that if you
choose "any" icc profile, the colors change. Does this include your
monitor profile, and other profiles such as sRGB and Adobe RGB? If they
all appear the same, then I would suspect that something is highly out of
kilter here - for example that you have ICC enabled in your printer driver
settings and are double profiling. The second thing is that the final
printed output matches the off color preview image. I have no explanation
for this, other than random coincidence.
It's hard to be definitve, about either of the above points, because I'm
not sure which preview image you are referring to.
> If I choose Adobe RGB as the profile and print, the image is close but
> not correct. This is happening with CS2 and elements 6.
Printing to Adobe RGB should produce very subdued colors, yet you are
seeing close to normal colors. Again, a puzzle that would cause me to
check your printer driver settings. It is very easy to double profile, and
with Epson's this almost always produces a magenta image.
> Of course the r1800 is set for ICM and off - no color adjustment.
For Windows, I'm used to the Epson drivers providing you with about four
choices, which include a "no color adjustment" choice, manual,
PhotoEnhance, and an "ICM" choice. On the Mac, I believe you can select
ICM from a pulldown, then disable color adjustment with a separate check
box which disables the pulldown. If you could explain this descrepancy
that might be helpful.
> I have down loaded new profiles, reinstalled my epson r1800, checked for
> missing files in CS2.
Next step is to reset your prefs - hold down shift, ctrl, alt during
startup and say yes when it asks for your first born child.
> I am running windows XP Home, 2gig memory, dell xps. I have been using
> this system for over two years without a problem until now.
>
> Does any one know where I can check for the problem and how to correct
> for it? Thanks
Read Ian Lyons's web page on how to set up your color prefs
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps9_colour/ps9_1.htm
After resetting your prefs, and going over your color settings, I would
advise you to do a systematic test as follows:
o Set your printer, and photoshop's working space to sRGB mode
o Create a one inch by 8 inch neutral gradient
o Print it, and verify that the gradient is reasonably neutral, and about
the right brightness.
o Set your printer to no color correction
o Have Photoshop print using the profile for your printer
o If the gradient looks wrong - too dark, or with color casts as you
descrive, the problem may be a bad profile. Use Curvemeister's profile
plotter to get an idea of the quality of the profile, whether it has abrupt
breaks, etc.
http://curvemeister.com/downloads/profileplotter/dercurvemeisterprofileplotter.zip
If you decide the profile is bad, and cannot find another one, then live
with PhotoEnhance mode over sRGB, and specify sRGB as the printer profile
in Photoshop. Work that way until you find a better profile.
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

HT204135 Printing using ICC profiles

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