HT4007 aperture library photo managed referenced ?

managed vs referenced photos in aperture

Sunsequently I tried to find out what other files/folder Aperture would have created, but found nothing.
That is exactly as expected. You let Aperture open and use an existing library, so Aperture did not need to create a new library, but added all imported image files to the iPhoto Library.
Where are the Aperture database files located ? I do not see any Aperture folder/files.
What do I need to do to see the files and to understand that going forward ALL is ok.
These User Tips by Terence Devlin will explain that nicely:
How to Access Files in iPhoto
or the Aperture version
How do I access my Photos in Aperture?
Once you ask Aperture to create a new library or to export items as a new library you will see Aperture libraries, excatly where you tell Aperture to create them, by default in the "Pictures" folder.
Regards
Léonie

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You hav to move the photos from Aperture to iPhoto to do this.
1. Using the Media Browser you can drag from the browser to the iPhoto Window - this yields the Aperture Previews
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I can't really help, but I have the same problem. I really need to convert one of the RAW images in Aperture to a DNG using the Adobe DNG converter, but the converter can't find the image because the folders haven't updated.
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HT4007 Aperture--library help

just started using Aperture, after import, I created few albums from those photos in the open project.
can I now delete that project? will photos stay in the albums for later use.
thanks

Take the time to think about how you will use Aperture. Léonie just posted an excellent overview of this here.
We hear all time from user's complaining that something they've encountered should not happen in a "Pro" application (I am _not_ referring to you) -- as it turns out, you've stumbled on one of the things that _is_, imho, a great part of a "Pro" app: it's a kit in a box, not an assembled appliance. You get to build the appliance you want.
Take the time to do this right, now, and Aperture will become a robust Transformer/Leatherman. (Don't take the time and you'll likely end up with some kind of sprawling Tinkertoy.)
Here is what I do.
Good luck. Ask away.
--Kirby.

New to Aperture - Library vs Reference files

I'm coming to Aperture from Picasa, which replicated and managed my folder structure as it appeared on my hard-disc, which was nice.
Am I better off importing images into my Aperture Library, or managing the folder structure how I want and just having Aperture work with the reference files?
I'm not a pro-photographer, just a pretty basic user, so will not have loads of large raw image files. What's the benefit of using the Library over using Reference files? I've tried Google-ing but everything I've found just addresses folder/project management within Aperture.
If I use the reference option, can Aperture manage my photos on my hard-drive in the same way Picasa could (ie if I moved a photo from one folder to another in Picasa, it also moved on my drive)
Thanks

Hi TxH,
Welcome to the user-supported Aperture discussion group.
I'm coming to Aperture from Picasa, which replicated and managed my folder structure as it appeared on my hard-disc, which was nice.
If you use Aperture for even a little while, you'll realize that the structure of your photos in your hard drive is not as important as how you organize them in Aperture, especially when you start making albums, which merely contain a pointer to the image in your library. You can have a picture in many albums, but your library (and therefore hard drive) only contains it once.
Am I better off importing images into my Aperture Library, or managing the folder structure how I want and just having Aperture work with the reference files?
That's a matter of opinion. Some people are very opinionated that using referenced files is the only way to go, some are opinionated the other way. Sometimes there really is a better solution for you depending on what you are doing.
What's the benefit of using the Library over using Reference files? I
You will find loads of conversation if you search this discussion group for "managed" and "referenced".
You will always have a library. Your managed pictures will live in the library and you won't have direct access to them through Finder (and you should not want direct access to them for the most part). Your referenced pictures live wherever you tell Aperture to take them from, but the bookkeeping parts of the Aperture library/database are still stored in the Aperture library package.
Benefits of managed include: you don't worry about where the files are; Aperture backs them up if you use its vaults; they are always with you.
Benefits of referenced include: you know exactly where the files are; your Aperture library is significantly smaller than if all your photos were in the library; you can find them with Finder if that's important to you (and a lot of people think it's important to them but then realize they only think that because they're really not using Aperture to its full potential).
If I use the reference option, can Aperture manage my photos on my hard-drive in the same way Picasa could (ie if I moved a photo from one folder to another in Picasa, it also moved on my drive)
Yes. I've never used Picasa, but Aperture allows you to "relocate" your photos in order to manage their external directory structure. You can also choose to "relocate" a managed master to make it referenced.
nathan

Damaged Aperture Library - ALT CMD doesn't work, because update is starting

I have a Aperture Library with apr. 30'000 Pictures. I used this library the last time before switching to a new macbook pro and before aperture update(s). If I start aperture and select this library by choosing "other library", the update library screen opens, but the scan after that doesn't do anything. I found some discussions, they say "starting with ALT CMD". But this doesn't work because everytime the update screen is showing up and so, I can't fix the damaged library.
If I used this library as startup library, I got the message, damaged library (in german defekt) and aperture closes.

It worked the half way.
So far, so good.
I can rebuild the database and see all the Projects and Folders with their numbers of pictures, but there are no pictures.
If you see the number of pictures but no thumbnails in the film strip when in Split View, you probably have a filter set. Make sure that all search fields in the Browser and the Library panel are cleared and set to "All items". If that does not help, post back.
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So your Aperture Library is a referenced library and not a managed one? If you see broken arrows on the thumbnails of your images once you reveal them again by clearing the filters, you have to to tell Aperture the location of your master files and reattach the masters. Select the images in a project, and from the Aperture main menu select "File" -> "Locate Referenced Files"

Ref. aperture library issue

Hey!
I use my macbook for photo editing. I have one Aperture library locally and ca. a 200 gb referenced library on a external hard drive.
Unfortunately my external hard drive failed recently. On it I had a referenced aperture library of ca. 200 gb. Fortunately I had a copy of the library on my iMac!
However, when I copied my library over to a new ext. hard drive and connect it, the 200 gb of referenced files all seem to be offline still when working from my main library on the macbook. I tried naming the hard drive to the same as the old one, still it doesn't find it.
I tried fiddling around with File --> Locate Referenced Files ---> Located my hard drive BUT the aperture library with the referenced files doesn't show! The folder it lies in is shown as empty. Can anyone help a poor boy out?
Relevant information:
Aperture Version name: 3.5.1
Hard drive: Max OSX Extended (Journaled)
Mavericks
Thank you for any response!

Hi. Frank is trying hard, but it is impossible to communicate without well-defined, shared terms. Since the terms are specific to Aperture, and shared by all who know Aperture, it is your responsibility to help yourself first, by learning the terms and using them. Then we can help you.
Please see my concise guide to the parts of Aperture.
The Library is a database of Images. It shows in Finder as a file, but is actually a Finder Package. You can right-click the Library file, select "Show contents" and view the many (hundreds to millions) of files in the Library package. (Don't change _any_.)
In Aperture, what you see are Images. Every Image has an Original. "Original" is the term Aperture uses to refer to an imported image-format file.
Aperture is non-destructive: your Originals are _never_ altered.
You can store your Images' Originals wherever you want. It is _highly_ recommended that you store them on a locally mounted drive. Aperture provides robust tools to move any Image's Original in and out of the Library, or to any available drive, at any time.
The convention of calling a Library "referenced" or "managed" misleads. Each Image's Original is either managed or referenced. If all of the Images in a Library each have the same relationship to their Originals, the Library can be said to be either "managed" or "referenced". Since any Image's Original can be either, a Library can be "mixed".
It is possible to import a file into each of two Libraries. This is foolish and should not be done.
All computers have at least one built-in drive. This drive is called the "System Drive" because it holds the OS (= Operating System).
As an additional effort to communicate precisely, please do not use "it" to refer to anything. Specify all referents.

Why does my Aperture library show up as "Other" in About This Mac?

I go to About This Mac- More Info- Storage, and it says I only have 2.99GB of photos when my Aperture library is close to 200GB. The Aperture library gets thrown into the Other portion.
I have tried using terminal to delete the current index and re-index, but that didn't work.
I did not have this problem when I was using iPhoto, it has only been since I switched to Aperture months ago. All my software is updated to the most recent versions. I had an early 2008 15" MBP and upgraded to a 2012 15" MBP, same problem on both machines. Is there any way to fix Spotlight Indexing?

The Aperture library is a library package and not an image file, so Spotlight will not show the library as an image but as "other". Since the unified library format has been introduced, iPhoto images will not be shown in Spotlight either.
The usual way to search for images managed by Aperture should be to use the elaborate search tools provided by Aperture - smart searches and smart albums or the Media Browser to access them from applications that can browse iPhoto and Aperture libraries, like Mail, Preview, iMovie, ...
If you want Spotlight to be able to the original image files of your Aperture images, convert your Aperture library into a referenced library (see: Aperture 3 User Manual: Working with Referenced Images). This way, the original image files will be stored in a folder outside the package and Spotlight or Find will see them. Only, if you decide to do that, remember that it it not save to manipulate the original image files in any other way than using Aperture to do this - don't accidentally delete them, move them, rename them, edit them. Referencing is meant as a method to be able to store the bulk of your images on external drives, not to give access to the original image files.
Also, Spotlight will never be able to show you your edited versions, since they do not exist as rendered image files until you export or share them. So Spotlight can only show the originals.
Regards
Léonie

How do I transfer an existing Aperture library to a new external hard drive

I have a new external hard drive where I want to store my pictures to free up room on my iMac
How do I take an existing Aperture library and move it to the external hard drive so that Aperature can find and use it? Once it is moved can I delete the library from my iMac without causing problems with my new hard drive library?
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Hello Barty,
is your library referenced or managed?
If your Aperture Library is managed, then you can simply copy it to your new external drive using the Finder. Make a backup of your old library and convince yourself that the backup is working.
If your library is referenced, then use Aperture to relocate your master image files to the external drive (select all images, then File -> Relocate Master), then copy your Library to the external drive using the Finder.
To point Aperture to the new library location, double click the new Aperture Library to open Aperture with it. Test it thoroughly, before you delete the original library.
You might consider only to relocate the master images to your external drive and to leave the then much smaller Aperure Library on your system drive. That way Aperture will work faster, and you will be able to browse and share your images, even when our external drive is not connected.
Regards
Léonie

Transfering aperture library via vault to new comp

I apologize in advance if my question already have been answered in another thread. But I couldn't find any threads matching my problems.
I recently bought the new iMac after my old 24" could not handle the pressure anymore. I wanted to move my aperture library from the old to the new. And ofcourse I wanted all info (adjustment changes and so on) to come with in the move. After reading a few threads on the subject I created a "Vault" that I later opened up in the new comp. At a fist glance everything looks great in aperture but when opening up a picture to make adjustments it says "image offline".
On my old comp I can see (where my pics are stored) two aperture files:
Aperture Library
Aperture Library_original
…so far so good.
But then that are tons (well, many) folders named like my projects in aperture. And not folders within the aperture library file but stand alone…if that makes any sense.
What am I doing wrong? I get all the pics over to my new comp with the help of Vault but can't edit any of my pics from a few months back (when for some reason aperture started to create folders outside the library file)
On my new iMac i have 2 files
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/Jonatan, sweden

It looks like your Aperture library were a referenced library. When you imported your image files you did not import the originals into the Aperture library, but stored them in folders outside the library. That are folders named like your projects that you are seeing. When Aperture needs to access the originals to render edited versions, it will reference the image files in those folders, see this section in the Aperture 3 User Manual: Aperture 3 User Manual: Working with Referenced Images
When you create a vault, Aperture will only include images that you imported into the library, not the originals you stored outside. You need to copy the folders with projects as well to your new mac and reconnect them to the image versions, otherwise you will not be able to edit your images.
But it looks like you did create these folders outside accidentally and did not intend to use referenced original files. If that is so, I'd suggest to repair this, by consolidating your library.
Select the "Photos" view in the source list of your Aperture Library and select all your images at once.
Then use the command "File > Consolidate Originals" from the main menu bar. This will move (or copy) all referenced images from the folders outside into your Aperture library.
When you now create a vault, it will contain all images. Use this new vault to recreate your Aperture library on your new mac. You can also simply copy your Aperture library itself to your new mac. You do not need the detour using a vault.
BTW: Where Aperture will store the originals image files depends on the settings in the "Import" panel. Make sure the "Store Files" option is set to "In the Aperture Library".
Regards
Léonie

Aperture library transferring very slowly

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My thoughts here then are that this can't be anything to do with the type of cable I'm using or my new MBP, but rather the actual library itself.
Is there anything pertinent to an Aperture library that would prevent it from transferring faster? (I have also tried the Export/Import options in Aperture itself and I've had exactly the same unberarbly slow transfer rates.)

Thank you Léonie
At the moment I use managed files during the time of working on them for my clients in an aperture library called "Work". Later I "archive" the older ones by moving them as referenced to an external Drobo RAID System to free space on my computer within a special Aperture library called "Archive". For this I use the Export/Import library commands. The working Aperture library is managed, the archive library is referenced. But the transfer between is much work. But I had trouble with bad libraries from time to time, so I decided to seperate my images in two libraries. "Work" has a maximum of about 5.000 images. If I get in trouble with it, a rebuild or a reinstall from TimeMachine won't take too long. "Archive" has 200.000 images plus, but referenced. Because I don't touch those images very often, except export, there is a very small level of failure here.
Maybe I move "Work" to referenced too, because of your hints. Thank you!
One question to caughtredhandedand other users of the Retina MacBook Pro: Is ist fast enough for heavy work with Aperture and Photoshop? I thought about switching my whole work environment to a Retina with 16 GB RAM, instead of using a notebook plus a desktop. At the moment I use a 2007 MacPro Quad 3 GHz at the office for Photoshop and Aperture and a 2009 MacBook Pro for on location work with Aperture. I would be glad not to need to do synchs and transfers between two machines any more.
In this case I have to put the described "Archive" Aperture library itself oo an attached external drive because of the imited space in the internal SSD of the Retina MBP. Only the "Work" library and its images can stay internal. Will such a big library like my "Archive" with 200.000 plus referenced files work fast enough when started from an external RAID? At the moment my RAID is a Drobo S with Firewire 800.
There is a thunderbolt RAID from Promise available, but I want to wait for the new Drobo 5D:
http://www.drobo.com/products/professionals/drobo-5d/index.php
Maybe any Retina MBP owner wants to share his experience?
Best regards
Wolfram

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Since I upgrade to 2.0 aperture has been acting very strange in regards to my referenced files. When i click on my entire library and manage referenced files it always comes up that 101 files are missing. If i go and find those they do not show up missing. If i try to click on different files in the managed files pane it will just keep the one preview image up. I do not know what to do? should I try to un-install aperture and then reinstall it? Would these keep my library all the same?
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Hi blufox and rkkwan,
thanks for your feedback... that means that those combined format settings that the 40D allows are more or less useless when using Aperture. I read that the 40D saves two separate files with the same file name onto the CF card. But as far as I understand your feedback and the experience that I made myself is, that Aperture 2 ignores the JPEGS... is that really true?
We have three people seeing this behavior and only the original poster describing something different. Maybe there is some hidden option that lets the user alter this behavior?
Someone else on this topic? Hope we'll find out what really happens here. It is a shame that there is no mentioning neither in Canon's nor in Apple's Aperture manual... but maybe I have not checked them thoroughly enough
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Hi.
I'm a PROUD new Aperture owner (licensee) since last night. YIPPEE!!!
I imported my photos from iPhoto without a hitch. The same number of images, and I can access them all. Now, I know the two apps do different things, but I was expecting parity between the folders or Aperture's folder being heavier. It's MUCH less. Even with my previews. My iPhoto library is about 32GB and the Aperture library is about 9GB.
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Photo Orientation in Referenced Aperture Library

I am taking my Managed Aperture Library and moving it to Referenced. As I do so, I am noticing that many of the "portrait" shots in the library don't seem to maintain that orientation in the Finder. The portrait orientation shows up correctly when I look at the photo in Aperture, but when I go to "check" on the original file in the Finder, the icon of the photo and the photo itself when I open it with Preview revert back to "Landscape". Any thoughts as to why?
I have also noticed that when I export the "version" then the orientation is correctly saved with the file. When I export the "original" the orientation is NOT saved with the file.
Ideally I would like the "originals", which are referenced and consequently simply stored in the Finder, to correctly reflect orientation when I view them outside of Aperture, for example with Preview.
I am also aware that Aperture does not modify the original photo. But when I take a photo in "Portrait" orientation, my camera (and most modern digital cameras) record the orientation in the EXIF data in the photo. It is my understanding that this is how the Finder/Preview or any other application knows how to display the photo from an orientation perspective. Indeed, if I take a portrait photo straight from my camera and place it on the Mac Desktop, the orientation is correctly displayed. When I them import that photo into my referenced aperture library, the photo's orientation appears correctly in Aperture, but if I look at the original in the Finder or Preview, the orientation is lost.
Hopefully this makes sense.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.

I just ran into this issue and found your post from a search. Maybe too late for you, but for anyone else who finds this, here is the solution:
In the export dialog when exporting "Originals...", select "Don't Include IPTC" for "Metadata".
The behavior doesn't make any sense, but that's how I fixed my exports!

Aperture Library-referenced and managed-how to add to...

I'm trying to put all my images in one library.
Right now, I have a library that contains some referenced images, and some managed images.
I want to make the entire library referenced. That is, I want all of th original images stored seperatley from the Aperture Library.
Should I reconnect (consolidate) the images that are currently referenced and then proceed to make all of them referenced, or can I select the images that aren't referenced and add them to the same folder where my other originals currently stored?
Thanks

For the ones currently managed: File -> Relocate Masters. or Relocate Original
Regards
TD

HT4007 aperture library photo managed referenced ?

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