HT4260 Creating roaming network problem?

HI
I tried to create roaming network at home with help of that article. I just bought new airport extreme for basestation to first floor and new airport express to 2nd floor. I´m planning to connect them with ethernet.
I´m using Mountain Lion on my mac and airport utility 6.1 . I noticed that I don´t have all the option needed to configure roaming network with that new airport utility?
Can some give me working instructions how to create roaming network with those tools?
Thx, Jukka

Sorry - I am a Windows guy and didn't read your post completely - and yes Apple does want you to use this version - but as I understand it, it can be used to set up a basic roaming network - but I don't have Mountain Lion so I can't advise you - however an alternative would be to use someone else's computer with 5.6.1 to set up your network (by the way you could even use a Windows computer) - but I can say from experience that once you set it up, you will be very happy with it - I have an office with 8 Extremes and 2 Expresses on 2 T1 lines and they work great - I would also suggest that you contact Apple and tell them what you think - maybe if enough people complain that it is broken, they will fix it - and again I am sorry about the mix-up - all the different versions and compatibility make it very confusing - many of the gurus feel the same way and suggest some of the things I mention - and you could re-word your question and post it again (this time I won't jump in) and maybe one of the gurus will answer.- anyway good luck - I was only trying to help

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Roaming Network Problem

Hi everybody
In my home I have setup a roaming network using the following base stations:
AirPort Extreme connected to modem over ethernet - creates a wireless network
AirPort Express 1 connected to AirPort Extreme over ethernet - creates the same wireless network
AirPort Express 2 is set to "Join a wireless network" for AirTunes
Everything works fine except one thing: I want to place the AirPort Extreme in a different room. I have an ethernet cable that links the room of the modem an the new location for the Extreme. Now the problem is that I have no more possibility to connect Express 1 to Extreme using ethernet. I could connect Express 1 to the modem instead to the Extreme, but this is not the correct setup for a roaming network, right?
Has anybody a solution for this? Thanks in advance..

If you forget about AirPort Express 2 for now.....
You cannot have a "roaming" configuration unless the AirPort Extreme is connected to the modem by Ethernet and AirPort Express 1 is connected to the AirPort Extreme by Ethernet.
If you cannot connect AirPort Express 1 to the AirPort Extreme with an Ethernet cable, you could connect using a pair of Ethernet power line adapters.
If that is not possible, then you have no other option except to connect AirPort Express 1 to the AirPort Extreme using wireless only in an "extend a wireless network" setup. This will not be a "roaming" network, of course.

Serious packet loss creating roaming network over Ethernet.

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Creating "roaming" network

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Internet > Internet Connection > Connection Sharing: Share a public IP address
- Setup the remaining AEBSn(s), as a bridge.
Internet > Internet Connection > Connection Sharing: Off (Bridge Mode)
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-- Connect to the same subnet of the Ethernet network
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Creating Roaming Network Help

Hi,
i want to install one AirPort Extreme and one AirPort Express to create (a better) or to extend my current wifi.
All i want to know is whether the setup which i created with my incredible paint-skillz is possible or if i have do put it as Apple did it?
So that both the APExt. and APExp. are connect (via LAN) to my dsl-router (which i really cannot replace) and send out a single wifi-signal. So i dont want them to create two seperate wifi-networks; or even better: they extend the routers current wifi (as shown in the 'painting') signal via LAN to other areas of my apartment.
Thank you!

Yes, you can do that, just change your drawing so that only one connection (green line) exists between your modem/ wireless router and the Extreme. If your need to connect both the Extreme and the Express directly to the modem / router is due to placement constraints, then purchase an Ethernet switch. They are available for $20 or so, sometimes less.
Since you are using the drawing in this document, just refer to the drawing below the one you modified. In that one, an Extreme is shown between the modem and a switch (the black box in the middle). What you will do is eliminate that Extreme from the drawing, and connect the yellow line coming from the modem to the blue line going to the switch. That's what Apple means by "incorporating a network switch".
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HT4260 setting up extended roaming network

I have an Airport Extreme and a new Time Machine. Because of the logistics of my house, the Airport Extreme base station must be the primary connection. When I go to set up Connection Sharing on it I get a conflict message stating that the IP address conflicts with that of the base station and the network does not work.
If both the A.E. base station and the Time Machine are set to Off (Bridge Mode) the network works fine.
I do not know how to configure an IP. Can the network function as it is (both devices set to Bridge Mode) or must I change the IP for the base station?
(computers connected --- Older Mac Pro (no wireless or bluetooth --- connected via ethernet cable) plus two iMacs and a MacBook and phones connected wirelessly)
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hi
The situation described sounds a lot like the setup I have been thinking about for my home.
I have been reading the forums and apple's articles about the roaming network - this seems clearly the way to go if you can have the cabling, and you need more than one Airport basestation for better coverage and/or airtunes speakers.
However, in my home, I do not want the airport extreme to be providing the dhcp services.
The reason is that in this case (as I understand HT4260) I need two LAN cables to the primary airport extreme (=AE1) - one from the adsl-Modem+router to the AE1, and another cable from this AE1 back to the switch. From that switch I can reach the other Airport Extreme and Airport Express via the LAN cables. But, I don't have two cables available from a reasonable location where the AE1 can be placed with some useful coverage. I can set it up as described, but then the AE1 is stuck away in a closet with lots of concrete around it in a place where I don't really need coverage - wasting one AE1.
So... what I would like to do is the following:
-           phone line with adsl
\ and = cat 5/6 LAN cable
------ ADSL+router ============= (wan) AE1      (create the same network; internet as bridged)
         (runs DHCP)
               \       \============== (wan) AE2       (create the same network; internet as bridged)
                 \================= (wan) AX3       (create the same network; internet as bridged - add the speakers)
          add more as needed
and Optionally:                                AX4               (extend - so wirelessly - the same network; internet bridged - add the speakers)
My questions:
a) Would this create a good roaming network?
b) Would this create a good roaming network on both the 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz - assuming AE and AX are both the latest models?
c) Would the optional AX4 - which is not wired to the main switch - be able to extend this network - just so that I can get the music in the room I like - actually outside on the terras; of course in parallel to the other AE/AX at the same time?
d) Would this wireless extension slow down any of the other connections? Or only the clients of AX3 (as an example) to which AX4 connects wirelessly?
I am trying to get some feedback before buying one or more AE or AX to replace/extend my old 1st gen n model Airport Xpress.
Which leads me also to:
e) will the 1st-gen-n A xpress work nicely with n-speeds on the 2.4 band together with all the other ones?
     Obviously I would loose my 5Ghz network and guest-networks in the area covered by this older AX?
     (I very likely use this older as my "AX4" in the example above.
Thanks for your help!
Robert

Networking problem after a zone is created and installed

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Also I observed that: 1) When the global zone was unavailable from outside, it was available (ssh, ping) from another box within the same subnet (e1000g0); 2) If I shutdown e1000g1, the problem was gone.
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It was a route problem.

My airport extreme has connected to a Tplink router, i set my AE in Create network, so i get a problem of Double NAT. How can i repair this probleme because i have to use TPlink for my IP TV and i want to use AE to creat my network and the guest NW.

my airport extreme has connected to a Tplink router, i set my AE in Create network, so i get a problem of Double NAT. How can i repair this probleme because i have to use TPlink for my IP TV and i want to use AE to creat my network and the guest NW. If we don't have a solution for this question, can i set my AE to use the IP TV and how??? I'm using a 4th Airport extreme

No, not unless it is simply a network connection.
How is your IPTV being provided.. if it is using a separate vlan or separate vpi/vci in the adsl connection. Who is your ISP?
Is the TP-Link ADSL?
Is the IPTV using a separate voice channel on adsl?
Or a different vlan.
Sorry but it is something where a definite answer is not possible unless you provide all the details.
The setups are unique to each ISP around the world..
Here is one for our local ISP.
http://www.avenard.org/iptv/Setup.html
He has a section on getting this working with apple router over wireless.. look
http://www.avenard.org/iptv/IPTV_and_Wireless.html
Google around and see if other people have had success.. the whole setup is tricky.. and it is hard if nobody has used it who actually understands networking.

Airport Extreme network performance problems - roaming network help!!

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It would be a good idea to "hard reset" the "remote" AirPort Extreme (AEBS) to clear out any old and possibly conflicting settings. Hold in the reset button for 10-12 seconds. You'll see the amber light begin to blink more quickly during this process, just be sure to hold for the full 10-12 seconds and then release the reset button.
Check that the ethernet connection is from one of the LAN <-> ports on your "main" AEBS to the WAN (circle of dots icon) on the "remote" AEBS.
Open AirPort Utility and click Manual Setup
Click the Base Station tab located below the row of icons to assign a name for this AEBS, device password and adjust Time Zone settings
Click the Wireless tab
Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network
Wireless Network Name = Exact same name as your "main" AEBS wireless network
No check mark needed next to "Allow this network to be extended"
Radio Mode = Automatic
Radio Channel = Automatic
Wireless Security = Exact same setting as your "main" AEBS. Should be WPA2 Personal
Wireless Password = Same password as your "main" AEBS
Confirm Password
Click the Internet icon
Connect Using = Ethernet
Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)
Click Update to save settings and let the AEBS restart
Then, power down the entire network...all devices...order is not important
Start the modem first and let it run a moment
Start the next device attached to the modem the same way
Keep starting devices one at a time until the network is back up
You should be good to go.
Message was edited by: Bob Timmons

HT4260 Airport extreme and time capsule connection order in a roaming network

I plan to create a roaming network with my current Airport Extreme as the primary device connected to the internet and the new Time Capsule as the secondary device in Bridge mode. The connection between AE and TC will be wired (ethernet). Then I plan to connect the PC that needs backing up to the Time Capsule with an ethernet cable. Apart from the PC-backup functionality, I'd like to use the Time Capsule as a central NAS-device in my network. All other wired network devices that need access to the NAS (Apple TV, Xtreamer) are currently connected to the primary Airport Extreme with ethernet cables. My question: is there any reason why I should consider reversing the setup order, i.e. making the Time Capsule the primary device connected to the internet and the Airport Extreme the secondary device? Would this have a positive or negative effect on Time Capsule functionality and performance in the network? Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

Your Gen3 Extreme and all TC are gigabit.. as long as you connect with the required standard cable to have a gigabit connection between the two, there will effectively be no difference. In a home network you will struggle to saturate gigabit no matter what you do. Although the difference between the two configurations is really very small.
General rule is keep whatever is using the highest bandwidth closest and directly connected to whatever it is using.. shrug.. in this case you can follow or not.. it is more a guideline.

HT4260 Ho to configure the "Roaming Network" using the current AirPort Utility

Hi, I have a question about this roaming network. With the current AirPort Utility I do not know how to select "share a public IP" on "connection Sharing" on the first AirPort. Maybe someone can tell me how to configure this. It would be great if Apple would update this...
Maybe this is important: I use a Time Capsule as my first base station. The second one is a AirPort Extreme and the third one an Airport Express.
If I just set the first device to "Bridge Mode" I loose the internet connection with my cabel modem. I get the message "No Internet Conection". If I hook up my mac to the cable modem via ethernet the internet ist still functioning.
The funny thing is that I can use the internet for a couple of minutes until it does not work anymore. Everytime I change something the the settings of the Time Capsule (Bridge Mode to DHCT & NAT) I can use the internet for a couple of minutes...??
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Using AirPort Utility 5.6:
Connection Sharing: "Share a public IP address":
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Problems creating a Network -- Base Station works fine with Win XP and 7

I just bought the Airport Express and am using it now as a base station and can connect from both my XP and Win 7 based PCs -- can access the internet from anywhere in my home -- wonder of wonders.
I tried setting up a Network but had to go back to the factory settings each time. I basically can leave it at that (no printing from wireless) but that is not a big issue.
What else will I miss by not being able to create a network?
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HT4260 Can an Airport Extreme be used to form a roaming network with Time Capsule?

I tried the on-line instructions above to extend my Wi-Fi network with a roaming network but the graphics in the instrucions apparently show an earlier version of Airport Utility. Following the intent of the instructions, e.g., ethernet cable connection ports, etc., all I have achieved is a yellow flashing light on Airport Extreme. Airport Extreme has been reset to factory settings but it is not seen by the network.
Do I have it backward, for example, should the Airport Extreme be the base station and the TIme Capsule be the extended station?
What do you think I am doing wrong? Or, is this an impossible extension?
Thanks, Chad

Suggest that you use the much more functional and useful AirPort Utility 5.6 for Mac OS X Lion which was released at the same time as AirPort Utility 6.0.
Keep both 5.6 and 6.0 on your Mac and use the one that you want.
Post back if you need more assistance.

How do I know "Roaming Network" is working with Airport Express and Airport Extreme and should I use extended wireless network for third Express?

Attempting to eliminate a dead spot in Wifi coverage [and implement AirPlay] have one Airport Extreme 802.11n and two Airport Express 802.11n's.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4145
The Airport Extreme is of course connected to cable modem and Ethernet switch, and one Airport Express is connected to the Ethernet network. As per instructions for creating a "Roaming Network", Airport Express is set to same SSID, security type, and Password.
Questions:
1. How does the client device know which Airport to connect to? In other words, will it switch to the closer WiFi transmitter automatically? The WiFi reception problem is intermittent in the fringe areas so what I do not want it for it to stick with the more distant Airport Extreme in the basement when the Airport Express which is closer will work better.
2. How can I tell which of the Airports the attached client device is using?
The third Airport Express will be in a third location - I was planning on using it also for expanding coverage but after reading the warnings about performance suffering when purely using WiFi for the expansion in this location ("Wireless Extended Network" without an ethernet connection) I have figured that the single wired Airport Express will be adequate and will use the third Express to do Airplay only.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4259
Question: Can I use this second Airport Express to extend the wireless network via "Extended Wireless Network" while the other two are in "Roaming Netowrk" configuration? Without bogging down??
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1. How does the client device know which Airport to connect to?
The Mac computer will automatically connect to the wireless access point with the strongest signal...which is probably the closest AirPort. An iPhone or iPad may not do this and will tend to stay connected to one AirPort.
2. How can I tell which of the Airports the attached client device is using?
On a Mac, open Macintosh HD > Applications > Utilities > AirPort Utility. Click on one of AirPorts. In the area to the right, locate the AirPort ID and jot that down. Then do the same for your other AirPort.
Move your Mac near one of the AirPorts and log on to the wireless. Hold down the option key on the Mac while you click the fan shaped AirPort icon at the top of the screen. Look for the BSSID. That is the AirPort ID of the device to which you are connected.
If you are close to the "remote" AirPort, and you see the AIrPort ID of the "main" router when you are testing, then you know that the network is not configured correctly.
Can I use this second Airport Express to extend the wireless network via "Extended Wireless Network" while the other two are in "Roaming Netowrk" configuration? Without bogging down??
There will be a modest 10-15% bandwidth loss with the "extend" setup, assuming that the Express is located where it can receive a strong wireless signal from the AirPort to which it is associated. You can avoid the bandwidth loss if the Express is also connected via Ethernet as part of the roaming configuration.

Airport Extreme + Time Capsule Roaming Network

Ok, I'm completely lost here and haven't found any solutions specific to my situation. I currently have two ethernet jacks in my condo, both have fiber optic internet connection which provide access when connected to a computer and no router. I'm assuming there is a router somewhere in the building but alas it's not in my unit.
My home office is in the den where I have one ethernet jack. Connected to the jack is my airport extreme (dual band, 7.5.1 software). The second jack is located in the living room where I have my Time Capsule connected. I have it set this way because the wireless signal from the den does not extend well into the living room.
Basically I have two jacks, a TC and an AE and I'd like to create a roaming network. Both of them are set to bridge mode with the same SSID, WPA2 security, same password, etc. When I open airport utility on my main computer I can see both the AE and TC which is good because I have files I need to access for work on the TC. The problem I have is some of the wireless devices will not get an internet connection but instead get the self assigned IP address. My iPhone and iPad work all the time as well as the xbox and PS3 that are hardwired into the TC. Macbook laptop only connects about 1 out of every 4 times and other guests with iPhones have been getting the self assigned IP too. It's confusing because sometimes the devices connect flawlessly and sometimes they don't.
Sorry for the long-winded post but this situation has been very irritating for a couple months so I thought I'd finally seek answers here. I guess my basic question is what is the proper setup for an AE and a TC roaming network using two different ethernet jacks with no modem in my unit?

Welcome to the discussion area, Junkcanoe!
I don't have a setup like yours, but might be able to offer some assistance.
Basically I have two jacks, a TC and an AE and I'd like to create a roaming network. Both of them are set to bridge mode with the same SSID, WPA2 security, same password, etc.
This would be the normal way to set up a roaming network, but the wild card here is that we don't know anything about how the main router that supplies the ethernet connections (valid IP addresses) to the condos might be configured.
For example, most apartments, hotels, etc that provide ethernet jacks usually limit the number of devices that can connect to each jack. Hotels tend to limit this to one or two devices. I counted six devices that you say will work properly plus a few more. Since you have two separate ethernet jacks, you may be looking at a situation where each jack is allocated a total of 4 devices, or valid IP addresses.
The bottom line here is that we won't be able to make much progress until we know more how the main router there has been configured. Is it possible for you to ask the complex manager (who will probably need to ask the IT guy) how many devices are allowed to connect per ethernet jack? Another way to ask the same question is how may valid IP addresses will each ethernet jack allow?
If you can, could I ask you to perform an experiment? Rather than have both the AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule each connect to a separate ethernet jack, can you temporarily move one device near the other and connect them together using an ethernet cable? (Or, use a long ethernet cable if you don't want to move either device) LAN <-> port on one to LAN <-> port on the other. In other words, you'll only be using one of the ethernet ports in the condo for this experiment.
Any difference in performance or number of devices allowed to connect?
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HT4260 Creating roaming network problem?

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