HT4753 Is there already a rant thread to restore save as button and disable autosave?

Question

I found some threads with users having problems with new autosave and duplicate feature, and none of them contained an answer, and I was asking myself if there is an "Apple give us the save as button" back thread somewhere already.
First of all this autosave behaviour. I really don't want pages or numbers to save every nonsense I may write in a file, sometimes by simply mistyping cmd-v in a wrong window, without me telling it to do so. How dumb is that?
Second, why is the save as button gone? And no, duplicate is not the same, because duplicate doesn't start in the same folder. If I write an invoice to the customer, I take the invoice from the last month, click save as, select new number and change some dates and sums. This means, I did before 10.7. Now I have to find this very invoice on disk, which is not everytime easy to click through, click c&p, create a new invoice, and than i can start working on it. Annoying. If I click duplicate in an open document, it starts with the default folder, which is wrong in 99.99% of the cases.
Alas, the autolocking function on freshly created copies. This is just dumb. Really.
So, what the deal with removing such a simple button as save as?
I was being using iWork for business since 2007, and I have had hard time to convince everyone in the office to be on mac, and just as I achieved that, ... Well, now the people want to move to MsOffice again, isn't it silly? Thank you Apple.
P.S. And yes I tried to live with it for 9 month, but I can't get used to it.
P.P.S. I don't want to use ms-office....

Answer 1

Terence Devlin wrote:
Of course there's another way of looking at it.
First of all this autosave behaviour. I really don't want pages or numbers to save every nonsense I may write in a file, sometimes by simply mistyping cmd-v in a wrong window, without me telling it to do so. How dumb is that?
Not Dumb at all. Very intelligent actually. Why on earth should protecting your data require an extra step - saving? All that's happening here is that the app is defaulting to protect the data, instead of defaulting to having the data unprotected. It's common sense that it should take an extra step to trash data, not to save it. What's odd is that no computer up to now has defaulted to protecting the data.
But in fact is acting the opposite way. Instead of protecting my data is trashes the data, by saving when I wanted it not to. Do I actually have to kill the pages from terminal with -9 to prevent it from saving my data?
Maybe other people find it useful, great, then why not just make it optional and let those who do not need it switch it off?
Terence Devlin wrote:
If I write an invoice to the customer, I take the invoice from the last month, click save as, select new number and change some dates and sums.
So, to be clear, you're using last month Invoice as a Template, right? So, why do that when you can just use an actual Template? Much more simple. That's what that whole 'Save as Template' command is about.
This would mean that I have to save each and every document I write as template? I have several customers and always write the new invoice based on the previous one (change in adress, other people worked on it, etc). Saving it each time as template and creating a new one from template is not really an easy workaround to the save as thing. And, yes, TextMate, Eclipse and 1000 other programms do offer a save as button, and I never lost any data in it yet...