HV20 footage

Hi, well I shot a short using a HV20, with HD 24p. I have Final Cut Express 4 and the option of getting Final Cut Studio 2.
My goal is to export the edited video to tape, in standard definition and also to make a standard definition dvd in 24 p. The tape is going to be transferred to a standard dvd in the end.
Should I de-interlace or not? How should I work regarding HD and SD? Should I downconvert first or at the end? General workflow for FCP, please... I'm kind of lost here. Well, really lost.
THANK YOU!!!

If you haven't captured yet, check this article out. http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/capture_hdv_prores_fwbalis.html It starts at KEn Stone's sight and continues at the moviola site. There's a link to some easy setups to import footage as ProRes.
If you have already captured, this article http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/hdv_timeline_to_sddvd.html shows how you can export HDV as ProRes for compressing in Compressor. I imagine that the process would be the same.
If you read over the PROS and CONS of capturing as ProRes (the first link), you'll understand a little better I think.
IF you need a BitBudget to determine your Compressor settings, I use this one: http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/bitbudget.html There's others out there, but I have always gotten excellent results with this one. You enter in the total minutes of audio and video and get a average and max bitrate.
Using the above methods, I've gotten great looking SD DVDs. Good luck!

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Do I need to reimport all that footage to do the steps needed to make it real 24P?
Also, if I did not change it to real 24P and added it to a timeline that was 24P with A1 footage would the two look the same or would the HV20 footage have some issues?

Hello,
When you say imported, do you mean imported from a file, or captured from the tape?
When you say 24p footage, have you already done the reverse telecine process on it?
The camera shoots 24p, but stores it as 60i on the tape. When you capture, you end up with 60i data, with duplicate frames on a cadence (you can check this just by stepping through your video frame by frame and watch for duplicates)
You can take captured 24p video (which is contained in a 60i format) then use compressor to remove the extra frames. Then you can then place that clip in a 24p sequence and edit as you wish.
I would guess that when you say you "imported" 24p, you mean that you captured the HDV from the hv20 something you shot in 24p mode. FCP would have captured it as 60i video, so you probably don't need to re-capture it. Just place the entire capture onto a sequence, accept the format of the input, then send it to compressor to change (reverse telecine, aka removing the extra frames) the 60i sequence into a true 24p sequence. then you use this true 24p material in a new sequence that you can then trim and edit.
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TEST TEST TEST!!!
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Hello All,
I recently purchased a Canon HV20, but have only recorded and edited in SD DV.
Today I was reading a clip on the internet that gave me a bit of a surprised. Here is a part of the clip,
[This article was first published in the Sept/Oct, 2007, issue of
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I wonder why my PAL one doesn't do 24p?
Normal HDV will work perfectly with FCE except it will have to be converted into the Apple Intermediate Codec.
The Easy Setup is "HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60".
I don't think shooting in HDV and then converting to SD DV will look any better than normal SD but you will have the HDV master tape which can be used to produce Blu-ray DVDs at a later date when they become cheaper and more popular.
An hour of AIC will take around 40 GB of HD space.
As with everything it is worth doing quick tests involving something unimportant to determine which workflow suits you. Use DVD-RWs when testing to avoid waste.
Remember that you can export your HDV edited project back to tape in your camera and connect it to an HD TV for high definition playback.
I am not too keen on this because of the extra wear it puts on the camera and tape.
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email: [email protected]
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Perhaps a different capture card is needed or Vista Ultimate (instead of the Home Premium that I have).
A FireWire connection should be all that you will need. No "capture card" would be involved.
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> I have a Canon HV20 and the big pain is the 24p workflow.
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