Hyper-V Storage Live Migration: Copy instead of move?

Have a 2012 R2 Hyper-V Cluster with a HP MSA 2000 Storage. No storage pools or storage spaces, just 4 LUN's with NTFS Volumes that are all converted to CSV's.
Have to perform VM migration from VM's that resides on a CSV with an underlying RAID 5 volume to another CSV with an underlying RAID 50 volume. Could perform the operation without any error from the failover cluster manager (move - virtual machine storge) on
the VM.
The problem is that when I check C:\ClusterStorage\Volume1 (the old place of the VM) and C:\ClusterStorage\Volume2 (the new place of the VM), all VM files are still in both locations! Apparently, a "Copy" operation instead of a "move" operation
was performed.
- Why are the source files not have been deleted after the successful storage migration?
- Is it safe to manually delete the VM files in C:\ClusterStorage\Volume1?
Thank you in advance for any help.
Franz

Hi FranzSchenk,
To perform a move, FOCM first copys the files over to the new location and then moves the mahine over to the new location with all memory and machine writes before then removing the old files. If the files haven't been removed (this does happen)
it could be permission's that stop the files being removed.
It would be worth checking the running VMs and checking where its pointing for the virtual drives and perhaps look at where its BIN file is for memory and where the XML machine configuration is located. If all are pointing to the new location
then it would be safe to delete the old files.
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Hi Michael
Do you have more specific information what kind of permission issue you mean, and how we can correct that? And why is no warning or error message visible or in the eventlogs that the source files have not been deleted during the live strorage migration?
Kind regards, Franz

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mode also are excluded from Dynamic Optimization. In addition, VMM only migrates highly available virtual machines that use shared storage. If a host cluster contains virtual machines that are not highly available, those virtual machines are not migrated during
Dynamic Optimization.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg675109.aspx
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