Hyperion EPM Architect Services not starting

Hi All,
We have installed Oracle Hyperion 11.1.1.1. We are using Sql 2005 as RDBMS. The problem that I am facing is that Hyperion EPM Architect services are not starting. For Hyperion EPM Architect - Process Manager I am getting the following error in the event viewer:
Event Type:     Error
Event Source:     HyS9BPMA_ProcessManager
Event Category:     None
Event ID:     0
Description:
Service cannot be started. Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.Interface.ProcessManagerException: Cannot initialize the Session Manager. ---> Hyperion.DataAccessLayerCore.DataAccessLayerException: Database connectivity could not be established. ---> System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException: An error has occurred while establishing a connection to the server. When connecting to SQL Server 2005, this failure may be caused by the fact that under the default settings SQL Server does not allow remote connections. (provider: TCP Provider, error: 0 - No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection)
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.ThrowExceptionAndWarning(TdsParserStateObject stateObj)
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.Connect(Boolean& useFailoverPartner, Boolean& failoverDemandDone, String host, String failoverPartner, String protocol, SqlInternalConnectionTds connHandler, Int64 timerExpire, Boo...
It looks like that Sql Server 2005 is refusing connection. I checked 'Allow remote connections' property for sql 2005 and it is enabled. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Amol

Hi,
Yeah the Sql Server 2005 is running on the same server
Hyperion Foundation
PASSED Configuration Check whether all configuration tasks have been completed 0 s
FAILED Database Connection to database
Error: java.net.UnknownHostException: VPC-W3K\HYPERIONEPM: VPC-W3K\HYPERIONEPM
Recommended Action: 0 s
Financial Management
FAILED Configuration Check whether all configuration tasks have been completed
Error: Next tasks are not configured:
clusterRegister: Configuration Failed
Recommended Action: Try to configure mentioned tasks 0 s
FAILED HFM Application Server Configuration HFM Application Server failed...
Error: Error Configure Application server
Recommended Action: Check application is started 204 s
FAILED HFM WebServer HFMWebServer startup... failed...
Error: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
Recommended Action: Check application is started 204 s
FAILED LCMServer LCMServer startup failed...
Error: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
Recommended Action: Check application is started 204 s
FAILED SmartViewServer SmartView WebServer startup failed...
Error: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
Recommended Action: Check application is started 0 s
Foundation / Performance Management Architect
FAILED EPMA DimensionServer Server Configuration EPMADimensionServer startup... failed...
Error: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused: connect
Recommended Action: Check application is started 12 s
This is what I got from the diagnostic.
Regards,
AD

Similar Messages

  • Not able to Start Hyperion EPM Architect services

    Hi,
    I have been facing issues with accessing FDM web application. The Error Desc is " An exception occured during the execution of the current web request. Please contact the administrator to review the stac trace in the event log for more information about the error."
    So we have tried to stop/restarted the Hyperion Services in Prod FDM server. But we are not able to start the below services after the stopping the services.
    Hyperion EPM Architect - Web Application
    Hyperion EPM Architect - Process Manager
    Hyperion EPM Architect - Job Manager
    Hyperion EPM Architect - Event Manager
    Hyperion EPM Architect - Engine Manager
    Hyperion EPM Architect - .Net JNI Bridge
    Also, we have rebooted the server. But these services are not up after the reboot. Please could you help to resolve this issue.
    Thanks,
    Aravindh K

    Thanks John. I got help from Oracle Support team to resolve the issue. This is a Common issue with the 11.1.1.3 version, the services take some time and Sometime start once before the other hence the issue. The issue is resolved after restarting the services manually in order.

  • Hyperion S9 OpenLDAP service not starting

    Over this past weekend there were some issues with our back up software which was upgraded. As a result, we can not get the Hyperion S9 OpenLDAP started. When we try the serivce just hangs and does not complete. We have let it run for up to 30 minutes with no success. We have tried to reconfigure shared services, but that hangs as well. We have tried to reboot the server, but that hangs also trying to start the LDAP service. Can anyone offer any ideas on what we can try to get this service running?
    Thanks, Scott

    Visit the below URL for a possible solution:
    [http://businessintelligence.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/hyperion-admin-l/problem-wtih-start-the-hyperion-sharedservices9-openldap-service-2430412]
    Cheers,
    -Natesh

  • Hyperion S9 OpenLDAP Service Not Started

    Hi,
    When I start Hyperion S9 OpenLDAP service I received an error Windows could not start the Hyperion S9 OpenLDAP on Local Computer. For more information, review the System Event Log. If this is a non-Microsoft service, contact the service vendor, and refer to service-specific error code 21.
    Could you please how I can solve this error?
    Hyperion Version 9.3.1
    Thanks In Advance,
    Bishoy Sami

    Hi,
    Open Ldap Berkely db is probably corrupted. Check out below post.
    Re: Ldap and shared services are not running
    Cheers,
    Alp

  • Unable to start Hyperion EPM Architect - Process Manager after upgrade

    Hi All,
    I'm unable to start Hyperion EPM Architect - Process Manager after upgrading from EPMA 11.1.1.3.0 to 11.1.1.3.03. I get the following error in the Event Viewer.
    Service cannot be started. Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.Interface.ProcessManagerException: Cannot initialize the Session Manager. ---> Hyperion.DataAccessLayerCore.DataAccessLayerException: Database version mismatch:  Hyperion.SessionManager schema version is 9.5.0.0.0.10,  database schema version is 9.5.0.0.9.1.
    at Hyperion.DataAccessLayerCore.DataAccessLayer..ctor(NameValueCollection settings, String tablePrefix, String baseNamespace, String schemaVersion)
    at Hyperion.SessionManager.DAO.SessionManagerDataAccessLayer..ctor(NameValueCollection settings)
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.SessionManager.SessionStoreRdbms.Initialize(String rdbmsVendor, String rdbmsConnParams, Int32 rdbmsCommandTimeout)
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.SessionManager.SessionManager.Initialize(String jvmPath, String classPath, String ctgLibPath, String cssConnInfo, String hubHost, String hubPort, Boolean enableNestedGroups, String rdbmsVendor, String rdbmsConnParams, Int32 rdbmsCommandTimeout, Boolean restorePastInstanceSessions, Boolean ...
    I've run through all the steps of patching EPMA ran the Oracle_Upgrade 9.5.0.0.0.10 to 9.5.0.0.9.1.sql script per the patch readme. But can't figure out where it's pulling the schema version number from. Any ideas?
    Thanks,
    Chuck

    Hi,
    you forgot to update the EPMA database. Last step in patching is:
    Now, you must run the database upgrade script before starting the process manager.
    Run the single database upgrade script that corresponds to your database vendor.
    Oracle_Upgrade 9.5.0.0.0.10 to 9.5.0.0.9.1.sql
    SQL_Server_Upgrade 9.5.0.0.0.10 to 9.5.0.0.9.1.sql
    DB2_Upgrade 9.5.0.0.0.10 to 9.5.0.0.9.1.sql
    The scripts are located in the following directory:
    %HYPERION_HOME%\OPatch\EPMA_11_1_1_3_01\files\products\Foundation\BPMA\Server\conf\
    hope that helps.

  • Couldn't start Hyperion EPM Architect - Process Manager

    Hi,
    I Couldn't start EPM Architect - Process Manager because of which unable to launch Dimension Library, Application Library and Calc Manager from Workspace.
    This services starts rest dependent services but it stops in one or two minutes states status as 'starting'.
    I am on Windows 2003 R2, Hyperion 11.1.1.3, MSSQL 2005
    Regards
    Kumar

    'Hyperion EPM Architect - Process Manager' service doesn't start automatically as it supposed to. I do start it manually then it starts saying "starting" for a minute or two then stops itself, and bunch of other dependent services stop along with it as well.
    Event Viewer has below error related to the service
    +Service cannot be started. Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.Interface.ProcessManagerException: Dimension Server started but failed to initialize on machine xxxx.  Check the error log on that machine.
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.EngineManager.StartEngine(Machine machine, EngineType engineType)
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.EngineManager.InitializeReadWriteEngine()
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.EngineManager.Load()
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.ProcessManager.Initialize()
    at Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.Service.OnStart(String[] args)
    at System.ServiceProcess.ServiceBase.ServiceQueuedMainCallback(Object state)
    For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.+
    ALTER DATABASE MYDBNAME SET READ_COMMITTED_SNAPSHOT ON; ran query and waited for 15 minutes, it looks like didn't complete, keeps on displaying "Executing query", I've stopped.
    ALTER DATABASE MYDBNAME SET ALLOW_SNAPSHOT_ISOLATION ON; completed successfully.
    It still has same error.
    Regards

  • Hyperion Annotation Server service is starting........could not be started.

    Hi,
    The Hyperion Annotation Server service is starting........
    The Hyperion Annotation Server service could not be started.
    i stopped the services from cmd prompt but it could not be started.
    please any one can help me...............
    Thanks in advance.........

    Hi guys,
    i was find the out one of the solution for this issue......
    1.we need to do place the ip address of the local system in the host file and then we need to start the service.
    or
    2.need plug off the internet connection if it is your local system then restart the services.

  • EPM Architect  failed to start.

    Hi all,
    My validation report gives me a Failed status for EPMA Service
    FAILED PMAJ: EPMA Service Check if jobmanager service available
    Error: com.hyperion.cis.utils.BadResponseCodeException: Bad response code: 500
    Recommended Action: Check application is started 2 s
    FAILED PMAP: EPMA Service Check if processmanager service available
    Error: com.hyperion.cis.utils.BadResponseCodeException: Bad response code: 500
    Recommended Action: Check application is started
    As said on validation report i tried to start the job manager and process manager but it gave me below messages
    "Tha Hyperion EPM Architect - _Process Manager_ service on local Computer started and then stopped. Some services stop automatically if they have no work to do, for example, the Performance Logs and Alerts service."
    "The Hyperion EPM Architect - _Job Manager_ service on local Computer started and then stopped. Some services stop automatically if they have no work to do, for example, the Performance Logs and Alerts service.
    Thanks in advance.
    Edited by: user8819264 on Mar 4, 2011 7:26 AM

    An update .. My Event Viewer says
    Service cannot be started. Hyperion.DimensionServer.ProcessManager.Interface.ProcessManagerException: Cannot initialize the Session Manager. ---> System.Exception: System.Data.OracleClient requires Oracle client software version 8.1.7 or greater.
    at System.Data.OracleClient.OCI.DetermineClientVersion()
    at System.Data.OracleClient.OracleInternalConnection.OpenOnLocalTransaction(String userName, String password, String serverName, Boolean integratedSecurity, Boolean unicode, Boolean omitOracleConnectionName)
    at System.Data.OracleClient.OracleInternalConnection..ctor(OracleConnectionString connectionOptions)
    at System.Data.OracleClient.OracleConnectionFactory.CreateConnection(DbConnectionOptions options, Object poolGroupProviderInfo, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnection owningObject)
    at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.CreatePooledConnection(DbConnection owningConnection, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnectionOptions options)
    at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.CreateObject(DbConnection owningOb...
    For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
    My database version is Oracle Database 10g Enterprise Edition Release 10.2.0.4.0. Operating system is Win 2003 32 bit. What is the version of client do i need to install and can any body send me the link where i can download it.
    Thanks

  • EPMA server service not started

    Hi All,
    I installed Hyperion 11.1.2.2 Essbase, Planning, EPMA, Calculation Manager, FDM and HFM in the single machine in windows server 2008 R2.
    but i am facing two issues.
    1. In services, EPMA Server service not started.
    2. In FDM, I am getting error in connecting to Essbase.
    Error: Unable to retrieve target system data.
    Is any thing, i have to install additionally?
    Regards,
    mady

    Hi,
    In Windows Event Viewer i got this message.
    Log Name: System
    Source: Service Control Manager
    Date: 9/3/2012 12:46:12 AM
    Event ID: 7011
    Task Category: None
    Level: Error
    Keywords: Classic
    User: N/A
    Computer: hyperionepm
    Description:
    A timeout (30000 milliseconds) was reached while waiting for a transaction response from the Parallels Tools Service service.
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    <System>
    <Provider Name="Service Control Manager" Guid="{555908d1-a6d7-4695-8e1e-26931d2012f4}" EventSourceName="Service Control Manager" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="49152">7011</EventID>
    <Version>0</Version>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Opcode>0</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8080000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2012-09-03T07:46:12.612304600Z" />
    <EventRecordID>70587</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation />
    <Execution ProcessID="440" ThreadID="16540" />
    <Channel>System</Channel>
    <Computer>hyperionepm</Computer>
    <Security />
    </System>
    <EventData>
    <Data Name="param1">30000</Data>
    <Data Name="param2">Parallels Tools Service</Data>
    </EventData>
    </Event>

  • SAP Service Not Starting in BI 7.0

    Hi All,
    Today morning my BI 7.0 server restarted twice automatically, then I started the server in last known good configuration after that when I tried to start the server from SAP MMC it didn't started and when i checked the sap service in services.msc it gives error <b>"Some services stop automatically when they have no work to do"</b>.and didn't get started.
    I found a thread similiar to this problem and following that I used sapstartsrv.exe in usr\sap\SID\......\exe directory. This didn't worked for me and by using this Both the services SAPEP2_00 and SAPEP2_01 got removed from services.msc.
    Now I have installed these service again and now I am at same status as in morning,
    In Event log
    For SAPEP2_00 and SAPEP2_01 the following error are avaliable:
    --Initialization failed. Service not started. [ntservmain.cpp 1269]
    --Unable to change to Directory
    gms40\saploc\EP2\DVEBMGS00\work. (Error 53 ERROR_BAD_NETPATH: The network path was not found. ) [ntservstart.cpp 966]
    If any one have gone through such situation please help me out from this, Its has became too critical for me now.
    Thanks in advance....
    Regards
    Vinay Paul

    Hi
    Service are started now but when I am trying to start the server, it is showing strdbs.cmd, sapcpe.exe in red status "could not be started".
    Regards
    Vinay Paul
    Message was edited by:
            Vinay Paul

  • Remote Desktop Management service not starting. service-specific error: %%2284126209 - Event ID: 7024

    Hi Forum members,
    We have a client that has intermittent issues with RDS on a 2012 R2 server.
    As an overview of the environment, the client has a single VMWare host support 2 x Windows 2012 R2 VMs one is the File/Print/Email server and the 2nd is the RDS server used to allow the client to run MYOB Enterprise. Both servers have the AD DS role and
    DNS roles amongst others.
    The 1st issue is that the RD Connection Broker shows the error: "The server pool does not match the RD Connection Brokers that are in it. and then "1. Cannot connect to any of the specified RD Connection Broker servers".
    The above issue seems to be caused by the RDMS service not starting. When you attempt to start it, the service stops and the error in the title is logged in the "System" event log. Full transcript below:
    Log Name:      System
    Source:        Service Control Manager
    Date:          21/01/2015 4:50:32 PM
    Event ID:      7024
    Task Category: None
    Level:         Error
    Keywords:      Classic
    User:          N/A
    Computer:      intentionally removed.local
    Description:
    The Remote Desktop Management service terminated with the following service-specific error: %%2284126209
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="
      <System>
        <Provider Name="Service Control Manager" Guid="{555908d1-a6d7-4695-8e1e-26931d2012f4}" EventSourceName="Service Control Manager" />
        <EventID Qualifiers="49152">7024</EventID>
        <Version>0</Version>
        <Level>2</Level>
        <Task>0</Task>
        <Opcode>0</Opcode>
        <Keywords>0x8080000000000000</Keywords>
        <TimeCreated SystemTime="2015-01-21T05:50:32.129949400Z" />
        <EventRecordID>53721</EventRecordID>
        <Correlation />
        <Execution ProcessID="568" ThreadID="12436" />
        <Channel>System</Channel>
        <Computer> intentionally removed.local</Computer>
        <Security />
      </System>
      <EventData>
        <Data Name="param1">Remote Desktop Management</Data>
        <Data Name="param2">%%2284126209</Data>
        <Binary>520044004D0053000000</Binary>
      </EventData>
    </Event>
    In addition in the "Application" event log, the following error is logged:
    Log Name:      Application
    Source:        MSSQL$MICROSOFT##WID
    Date:          21/01/2015 5:24:47 PM
    Event ID:      18456
    Task Category: Logon
    Level:         Information
    Keywords:      Classic,Audit Failure
    User:          NETWORK SERVICE
    Computer:      intentionally removed.local
    Description:
    Login failed for user 'NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE'. Reason: Could not find a login matching the name provided. [CLIENT: <named pipe>]
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="
      <System>
        <Provider Name="MSSQL$MICROSOFT##WID" />
        <EventID Qualifiers="49152">18456</EventID>
        <Level>0</Level>
        <Task>4</Task>
        <Keywords>0x90000000000000</Keywords>
        <TimeCreated SystemTime="2015-01-21T06:24:47.000000000Z" />
        <EventRecordID>4228336</EventRecordID>
        <Channel>Application</Channel>
        <Computer>intentionally removed.local</Computer>
        <Security UserID="S-1-5-20" />
      </System>
      <EventData>
        <Data>NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE</Data>
        <Data> Reason: Could not find a login matching the name provided.</Data>
        <Data> [CLIENT: &lt;named pipe&gt;]</Data>
        <Binary>184800000E0000001F00000055004E0047004500520045005200410055005300530056005200300033005C004D004900430052004F0053004F0046005400230023005700490044000000070000006D00610073007400650072000000</Binary>
      </EventData>
    </Event>
    I have been attempting to resolve these errors for some time, without success. I have read the many KBs and forum entries related to the above and applied a number of the suggested fixes, including the one which suggests to add the NT SERVICE\ALL SERVICES
    to the "Logon as a Service" in the "User Rights Assignment" of the "Default Domain Policy" which is linked to the domain level, that both servers are objects of.
    My question to the forum is, can anyone come up with a solution to resolve the above issues and all the RDMS service to start which will then hopefully resolve the broker error?
    Regards,
    David West.

    Hi David,
    If virtual machines on the server are Windows Server 2012, then it is not supported to install Remote Desktop Connection Broker on a Domain Controller.
    More information for you:
    Remote Desktop Services role cannot co-exist with AD DS role on Windows Server 2012
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2799605/de
    Guidelines for installing the Remote Desktop Session Host role service on a computer running Windows Server 2012 without the Remote Desktop Connection Broker role service
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2833839
    If the VMs are Windows Server 2012 R2, I suggest you install RDS on a separate machine to see if the issue persists.
    Best Regards,
    Amy
    Please remember to mark the replies as answers if they help and un-mark them if they provide no help. If you have feedback for TechNet Subscriber Support, contact [email protected]

  • Apple mobile device service not started

    Each time i try to sync my iphone to itunes it keeps on saying "apple mobile device service not started"
    I know how to start it and everything its that when i start it it says "Windows could nt start the Aplle Mobile Device service on local computer"
    I have the newest itunes and i have windows 7

    first I would check the event viewer for into about what goes wrong that cause the service to fail
    if this don't give a clear image about what the problem is
    then I would uninstall itunes and resinstall it
    if that didn't help I would ask questions about solve the problem in the itunes for windows forum  where people wise in the ways of itunes would be more likely to read your post
    https://discussions.apple.com/community/itunes/itunes_for_windows

  • Apple mobile device service not started please help

    Each time i try to sync my iphone to itunes it keeps on saying "apple mobile device service not started"
    I know how to start it and everything its that when i start it it says "Windows could nt start the Aplle Mobile Device service on local computer"
    I have the newest itunes and i have windows 7

    when i start it it says "Windows could nt start the Aplle Mobile Device service on local computer"
    Does Windows give you an error code number when AMDS fails to start, Love? If so what number do you you get?

  • Oracle distributed document capture service not started

    Oracle distributed document capture service not started
    and timeout

    I did check the Distributed Document Capture Configuration (from the Start menu) and it also indicates that I have selected "Oracle Distributed Document Capture Prompted Login". Once I click "OK" after I supplied all the paths required by server settings, it also displays the error "The username and password could not be validated". What credentials should be entered in the User ID / Password / Domain fields? You should use the username and password entered while configuring the "capture" security model. Leave the domain field blank.
    I have not yet configured the IIS at this point. Is it required for the Capture application to authenticate the user I specified during the installation configuration at login? IIS will serve web ODDC interface and will be needed for authentication while accessing ODDC web pages. I beleive that it is not needed for authentication from ODC/ODDC applets. However, when something is not working as expected, I would first finish all required installation and especially post installation setup steps.
    I had a look at the IIS configuration in the installation document. It doesn't clearly state which document is the default document for the website one needs to create in IIS. Do you know what it should be? You have to add new web site, say like "Capture" and add virtual directory from assumed path like: C:\Program Files\Oracle\Document Capture\WebPages
    For the default document I have WebCapture.asp.
    The Oracle Distributed Document Capture service does no start on my PC. Is this required for me to atleast login to the Capture application? It's required only for processing the scanned batches.
    I hope that this will help.
    Boris
    Edited by: tombo on 2012.03.16 06:32

  • Critical Services Not Starting Automatically & Access to Server occasionally dropping out

    For the last few months we have been trying to resolve an issue where access to files on the server (SBS2011 - running domain services, exchange, etc) get so slow or just unresponsive. Logging onto the server is also not possible till it starts responding
    again.
    We also found that when the server starts, the Netlogon services does not start automatically event though it is set to auto start. There are a number of other services mainly exchange services that do not start as well but it seems this may be due to the
    net service not starting.
    We have re-installed the OS but this does not seem to have fixed the issue. The environment is a mix of the SBS2011 server, two Windows Server 2003 boxes - one running Terminal Services. The other was being used for SAP but no longer in use. The clients
    are mainly XP with a few Windows 7 machines. We are in the process of planning the replacement of the XP machines.

    You re-installed SBS2011? - that seems rather drastic.  Did you maintain your domain or just set it all up again?
    This sounds like a DNS issue but have a look at the event viewer and google/post the Event ID and Source.  Given those two you can start to track down the cause and possible fixes at www.eventid.net.  Just be aware that SBS2011 has a lot of
    "normal" event errors, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2483007
    You should also run the SBS best practice analyzer and maybe run the "Fix my network" wizard in the SBS console.  Also make sure SBS is the DHCP server for the network.
    -- Al

Maybe you are looking for

  • What constitutes an "open' task?

    How does the system decide which tasks to put in this list? Is it based on status, created date? A combination of fields? Any help would be appreciated! B

  • Filter by Customer Address

    Hello, my boss recently enlisted me to fix alot of her inventory and customer issues she is having in the store. The most pressing issue is gaining the ability to run a report that displays customers within a certain area. For example, she could find

  • Can you edit the title of downloaded files?

    I am downloading a series of files from autio CDs. They are lanaguage lessons. However, the titles are either wrong for the lesson numbers, or are  untitlted. My plan is to put them on my IPhone so I can listen while driving.  I wish to edit the titl

  • MOVED: K8T Master and PNY PC3200 optima memory PC won't boot

    This topic has been moved to Server/workstation boards. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=123165.0

  • Why isqlplus can not login today?

    Why isqlplus can not login today? I connected the database from isqplus yesterday using the same ip address and credential. What does isqlplus depend on? Thank you